marking package sent to illion

[ruger438]

probably covered before, but I have been unable to find it...

The barrel Accessory program order form instructs not to mark package contents, but the address the line: "ATTN: Arms service repairs" seems to scream FIREARM!!.

Has anyone just put  "ATTN: service repairs" ?

Anyway how have you handled the mailing?

[sjester]

I marked as instructed on the sheet.  Didn't seem to cause a problem

[Graybeard]

Anyway how have you handled the mailing?

Unless you are an FFL holder you CANNOT MAIL a frame to anyone. You must use someone like UPS, FEDEX or DHL to SHIP not Mail the frame.

[Chas.]

Anyway how have you handled the mailing?

Unless you are an FFL holder you CANNOT MAIL a frame to anyone. You must use someone like UPS, FEDEX or DHL to SHIP not Mail the frame.

You sure 'bout that?

"[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?[
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun."

[Scibaer]

i sent my rifle in when it needed repairs thru my local gun store. they boxed it, and shipped it for $35, they wrote out a repair tag and that was that. NEF shipped it to me when the repairs were complete.  i did not have to worry about the details.
i would however not risk sending a frame thru the mail, or any carrier yourself. an interpetation of the law could get you behind bars, worse case scenario... at best a head ache if things go sour. i regularly use the US post office to send barrels, bullets, brass and other things... my PO is very friendly towards me and that helps, but i wouldnt send a frame.
use a carrier and follow the instuctions that Illion has, get shipping insurance for your firearm.
glenn

[buckslayer]

graybeard, so its legal to ship a package through ups, and NOT go through an ffl holder?  thanks, im thinking of sending in my rifle frame and want to be sure im legal. 

[Badnews Bob]

IF your sending it for repairs or barrel fitment it dosn't have to use an FFL it dose if your selling it. I use the US post office, I asked them and it is 100% legal, They recomended I not mark the box as to whats inside.

 This is good because our local UPS store is run by an anti who won't shipp anything firearm related, even thou its ok with the company.

[Graybeard]

graybeard, so its legal to ship a package through ups, and NOT go through an ffl holder?  thanks, im thinking of sending in my rifle frame and want to be sure im legal. 

Yes so long as ownership is not changing. You are allowed to ship direct and have them returned direct to you if shipping to a gunsmith for repairs or custom work or back to the manufacturer.

Some comments are making me question what I said and maybe it is only handguns you can't use USPS for but for some reason I was thinking only FFLs could ship either. I've been in error before and CRS might have a hold of me here. I've only ever shipped firearms via FEDEX and UPS for such purposes and more often than not use an FFL instead of doing it myself.

[quickdtoo]

Bill,

I think you were thinking of a TC pistol frame, or any handgun for that matter, the USPS/ATF only allows licensees to ship handguns, but long guns can be shipped by a non-licensee to the manufacturer or a gunsmith where there is no transfer of ownership. Handguns can only be shipped by a non-licensee by UPS or Fedex overnight services.

Tim

http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm

432 Mailability
432.1 General

The following conditions apply:

   1. Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as “handguns”) are nonmailable in the domestic mail, except as permitted in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.1.
   2. The disassembled parts of a handgun or other type of nonmailable firearm that can be readily reassembled as a weapon are nonmailable, except as permitted in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.1 or 601.11.2.
   3. Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are generally permitted, as specified in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.2.
   4. Unloaded rifles and shotguns may be mailed if the mailer fully complies with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90—618) and
      18 U.S.C. 921. The mailer may be required to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not excluded from mailing because of the restrictions in 432.1b and c.

Exhibit 432.1

Mailability Requirements for Firearms

 

Unloaded Handgun

Handguns — e.g., pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person — are nonmailable UNLESS mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, or a licensed dealer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or government of a state, territory, or district, and ONLY when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s official duties AND upon filing the required affidavit or certificate, as applicable (see DMM 601.11.1.3–7):

   1. Addressee: Officer of Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the commanding officer.
   2. Addressee: Officer of National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the commanding officer.
   3. Addressee: Officer of the federal government or a state, district, or territory whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of the agency employing the addressee.
   4. Addressee: Postal Service employees specifically authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of the agency employing the addressee.
   5. Addressee: Officer or employee of a U.S. enforcement agency.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of the agency employing the addressee.
   6. Addressee: Watchman engaged in guarding federal, state, district, or territory property.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by chief clerk of department, bureau, or independent branch of the government agency employing the addressee.
   7. Addressee: Purchasing agent or other designated member of an enforcement agency employing officers and personnel included in c, d, or e above.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of agency stating the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee cited in c, d, or e above.
   8. Addressee: Licensed manufacturers and dealers of firearms.
      Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Signed statement on PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms.

The mailer must be a licensed manufacturer or dealer mailing to another licensed manufacturer or dealer.

Handguns may be mailed without regard to the requirements noted in items a–h if the addressee is the FBI (or its Director) or a scientific lab or crime detection bureau of any agency whose members are federal law enforcement officers, or state, district, or territory officers authorized to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.

Manufacturers or dealers must complete PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, and file with the postmaster.

Postmasters may forward an unsatisfactory mailer statement to their PCSC for a ruling.

Unloaded Rifle or Shotgun

Short-barreled rifles or shotguns that can be concealed on the person are nonmailable.

The mailer must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968 and with state and local laws.

The Postal Service may require the mailer to open the parcel or give written certification that the weapon is unloaded and not concealable.

Registered Mail service is recommended.

Unloaded Antique Firearm

Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are acceptable for mailing.

 

 
432.2 PS Form 1508

PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, must be completed by each firearm manufacturer or dealer who deposits firearms for mailing. The form must be filed with the postmaster of the post office of mailing.
432.3 Packaging and Marking

No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms. Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1–8.

 

[ruger438]

well the order form from NEF states "Send by US Mail or U.P.S. insured to the following..."

So US mail is ok and I would assume H&R knows what they are doing.

I was mainly concerned with putting "ATTN arms service repairs" on the outside of the package, thinking that would draw undo attention to the package en-route.

I was hoping it would get to the right place in H&R if I just put "ATTN service repairs" in the address.

[Wakaba]

If you are afraid of someone loosing your frame do the following;

Box the parts to be sent in, wrap box in brown paper and seal all openings with paper tape (special one use tape that you have to wet just before use)

Send box via "Registered Mail"  By doing this there is *required* to be a paper trail following the box from your hands till it is signed for at Remmy by their people. 

Sleep well knowing you saved some cash and your baby is safe.

I have done this twice now.  Too bad the Huntsman, .44mag, and 30-06 barrels are all back ordered 

[buckslayer]

If you are afraid of someone loosing your frame do the following;

Box the parts to be sent in, wrap box in brown paper and seal all openings with paper tape (special one use tape that you have to wet just before use)

Send box via "Registered Mail"  By doing this there is *required* to be a paper trail following the box from your hands till it is signed for at Remmy by their people. 

Sleep well knowing you saved some cash and your baby is safe.

I have done this twice now.  Too bad the Huntsman, .44mag, and 30-06 barrels are all back ordered 

whoa, the huntsman is back ordered?  that could be good or bad.  good, they are still making them and waiting for a fresh batch, bad they stopped making them and their out of em...does anyone know which?

[quickdtoo]

They're just out of barrels, they, like other barrels, are no longer made as complete rifles, but the barrels are just out of stock, Remington has had lots of requests to bring the Huntsman rifle back, and it likely will have some modern improvements when the next batch of barrels are made, they're working on it.   

Tim

[petemi]

I would be really nice to see a hex breech plug in a choice of configuations.

Pete