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Have those guys been pardoned yet? It seems like the kind of case where they should not be in prison. What's the scoop?
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They should be pardoned, given medals, and a $ million for their troubles. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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They should be pardoned, given medals, and a $ million for their troubles. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Yep you love bush 29 days left for that sob.

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They should be pardoned, given medals, and a $ million for their troubles. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Yep you love bush 29 days left for that sob.

ms. As usual your statement has nothing to do with the question made by Questor, just more of your hate Bush hate America crap. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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they are still in there. Pres. Bush did not pardon them. There is more legal action going on, which is expensive and time consuming. I presume Pres Elect Obama will get another petition for their release once he asumes the Presidency. It will be interesting to see how many " Johnny Suttons" he will keep.
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It is unfortunate that Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean  were jailed  for shooting a known drug dealer/runner.  That said, lets look further into this case and see if they truly deserve a pardon.   The U. S. Border Patrol is perhaps one of the premier law enforcement agencies in America, they often work alone, in very remote areas, subjecting themselves to the harsh cold and heat of the desert areas they patrol.  The largest percentage of the officers are of very high integrity, and desirous of doing a good job.   That was not the case with Ramos and Compean.  They not only lied about their actions, they attempted to destroy evidence and cover up their crime.   I truly applaude the brave officers who serve with dignity, but can not support any type of pardon for the rouge officer here.  My thoughts, if they lie here, what else would they lie about?  Would they create or destroy evidence to jail an innocent person?  How many innocent people are behind bars because of their actions? I think a pardon for these crooks would be a slap in the face to the thousands of honest, law abiding officers on the force. Keep their butts in jail where they belong

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It is unfortunate that Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean  were jailed  for shooting a known drug dealer/runner.  That said, lets look further into this case and see if they truly deserve a pardon.   The U. S. Border Patrol is perhaps one of the premier law enforcement agencies in America, they often work alone, in very remote areas, subjecting themselves to the harsh cold and heat of the desert areas they patrol.  The largest percentage of the officers are of very high integrity, and desirous of doing a good job.   That was not the case with Ramos and Compean.  They not only lied about their actions, they attempted to destroy evidence and cover up their crime.   I truly applaude the brave officers who serve with dignity, but can not support any type of pardon for the rouge officer here.  My thoughts, if they lie here, what else would they lie about?  Would they create or destroy evidence to jail an innocent person?  How many innocent people are behind bars because of their actions? I think a pardon for these crooks would be a slap in the face to the thousands of honest, law abiding officers on the force. Keep their butts in jail where they belong
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It is unfortunate that Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean  were jailed  for shooting a known drug dealer/runner.  That said, lets look further into this case and see if they truly deserve a pardon.   The U. S. Border Patrol is perhaps one of the premier law enforcement agencies in America, they often work alone, in very remote areas, subjecting themselves to the harsh cold and heat of the desert areas they patrol.  The largest percentage of the officers are of very high integrity, and desirous of doing a good job.   That was not the case with Ramos and Compean.  They not only lied about their actions, they attempted to destroy evidence and cover up their crime.   I truly applaude the brave officers who serve with dignity, but can not support any type of pardon for the rouge officer here.  My thoughts, if they lie here, what else would they lie about?  Would they create or destroy evidence to jail an innocent person?  How many innocent people are behind bars because of their actions? I think a pardon for these crooks would be a slap in the face to the thousands of honest, law abiding officers on the force. Keep their butts in jail where they belong

Well that is one version, no doubt about it.  It has pretty much been discredited b/c it does not stand up to any scrutiny.
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It has pretty much been discredited b/c it does not stand up to any scrutiny.

Well, except for the fact that they shot the drug dealer in the ass as he was running away.   ::)
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PMIt is unfortunate that Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean  were jailed  for shooting a known drug dealer/runner.  That said, lets look further into this case and see if they truly deserve a pardon.   The U. S. Border Patrol is perhaps one of the premier law enforcement agencies in America, they often work alone, in very remote areas, subjecting themselves to the harsh cold and heat of the desert areas they patrol.  The largest percentage of the officers are of very high integrity, and desirous of doing a good job.   That was not the case with Ramos and Compean.  They not only lied about their actions, they attempted to destroy evidence and cover up their crime.   I truly applaude the brave officers who serve with dignity, but can not support any type of pardon for the rouge officer here.  My thoughts, if they lie here, what else would they lie about?  Would they create or destroy evidence to jail an innocent person?  How many innocent people are behind bars because of their actions? I think a pardon for these crooks would be a slap in the face to the thousands of honest, law abiding officers on the force. Keep their butts in jail where they belong


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Bush lied.



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It is unfortunate that Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean  were jailed  for shooting a known drug dealer/runner.  That said, lets look further into this case and see if they truly deserve a pardon.   The U. S. Border Patrol is perhaps one of the premier law enforcement agencies in America, they often work alone, in very remote areas, subjecting themselves to the harsh cold and heat of the desert areas they patrol.  The largest percentage of the officers are of very high integrity, and desirous of doing a good job.   That was not the case with Ramos and Compean.  They not only lied about their actions, they attempted to destroy evidence and cover up their crime.   I truly applaude the brave officers who serve with dignity, but can not support any type of pardon for the rouge officer here.  My thoughts, if they lie here, what else would they lie about?  Would they create or destroy evidence to jail an innocent person?  How many innocent people are behind bars because of their actions? I think a pardon for these crooks would be a slap in the face to the thousands of honest, law abiding officers on the force. Keep their butts in jail where they belong
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I do not pretend to know the full story or truth of this matter but a jury heard their side of the story and the evidence against them and declared them guilty of multiple law violations. All I've heard so far on it which may or may not all be truthful says they are as much outlaws as the guy they shot. I seriously doubt many if any of you know anymore than I do about it and that's sure not enough to say the jury was wrong. That they were law enforcement officers once does not mean they were or were not crooked or that they do not deserve to be where they are today.

I just do not know the facts and doubt any of you arguing the point here do either.


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But the one point we do know is that the judge wouldn't allow the jury to hear about the drug smuggler had been arrested before, and was arrested again even after being given immunity for his unfortunate butt.
 I do know some of the jury said they had no idea the sentence would be so harsh. imo Johnny should serve a day longer than these two guys do.

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I do not pretend to know the full story or truth of this matter but a jury heard their side of the story and the evidence against them and declared them guilty of multiple law violations. All I've heard so far on it which may or may not all be truthful says they are as much outlaws as the guy they shot. I seriously doubt many if any of you know anymore than I do about it and that's sure not enough to say the jury was wrong. That they were law enforcement officers once does not mean they were or were not crooked or that they do not deserve to be where they are today.

I just do not know the facts and doubt any of you arguing the point here do either.

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Many folks are not aware of the fact that it was an honest Border Patrol Agent who was responsible for reporting the attempted coverup by Ramos and Compean.  The rank-and-file showed a lot of integerity by bringing this forward to eliminate a black eye for the agency.  Following is the Senate Investigation Report that may enlighten some of the less informed.

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They were among 19 pardoned by Pres Bush.  Got this off the internet this morning.

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On Tuesday, President George W. Bush officially forgave Charles Winters, issuing a pardon posthumously to a man considered a hero in Israel.
"I'm overwhelmed," said Jim Winters, 44, a Miami maker of artistic neon signs. "It happened 16 years before I was born. He went to jail and he didn't want his kids to know. He was old-school and proud."
Charles Winters was one of 19 people to receive pardons — one other person had his sentence commuted — as Bush left Washington to spend the Christmas holiday at Camp David in Maryland. No high-profile lawbreakers were on the list.
In the summer of 1948, Winters, a produce exporter in Miami, worked with others to transfer two converted B-17 "Flying Fortresses" to Israel's defense forces. He personally flew one of the aircraft from Miami to Czechoslovakia, where that plane and a third B-17 were retrofitted for use as bombers.
"He and other volunteers from around the world defied weapons embargoes to supply the newly established Israel with critical supplies to defend itself against mounting attacks from all sides," New York Reps. Carolyn Maloney, Gary Ackerman, Jose Serrano and Brian Higgins wrote in a Dec. 15 letter urging Bush to pardon Winters.
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"Without the actions of individuals like Mr. Winters, this fledgling democracy in the Middle East almost certainly would not have survived as the surrounding nations closed in on Israel's borders," the lawmakers wrote.
The three B-17s were the only heavy bombers in the Israeli Air Force, and historians say counterattacks with the bombers helped turned the war in Israel's favor. In March 1961, Golda Meir, who was then foreign affairs minister of Israel, issued a letter of commendation to Winters to recognize his contributions to the Jewish state's survival.
Two men charged with Winters, Herman Greenspun and Al Schwimmer, also were convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, but they did not serve time. President John F. Kennedy pardoned Greenspun in 1961, and President Bill Clinton pardoned Schwimmer in 2000.
"Rules are rules, but it's interesting that my dad was the low man on the totem pole in the operation, but he's the only one who had to serve time," said Jim Winters.
Reginald Brown, an attorney who worked on the pardon, said Bush's action "rights a historical wrong and honors Charlie's belief that the creation of the Jewish state was a moral imperative of his time."
Film director Steven Spielberg also wrote a letter to Bush appealing for a pardon for Charles Winters.
"There are probably many unsung heroes of America and of Israel, but Charlie Winters is surely one of them," wrote the director of "Schindler's List," the Oscar-winning movie about the Holocaust. "While a pardon cannot make Charlie Winters whole, and regrettably he did not live to see it, it would be a fitting tribute to his memory and a great blessing to his family if this pardon is granted."
After Winters died on Oct. 30, 1984, half his ashes were buried in a Christian cemetery near the Jewish cemetery of the Knights Templar in Jerusalem. The rest were scattered from the top of Mount Tabor in Israel.
The only other pardon granted posthumously in recent years was given to Henry O. Flipper, the first black graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. Flipper was drummed out of the Army after white officers accused him of embezzling about $3,800 from commissary funds. Flipper initially discovered the funds missing from his custody and concealed their disappearance from superiors, hoping the money would return. Clinton gave Flipper a full pardon in 1999.
Bush has granted 190 pardons and nine commutations during his two terms. That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Clinton or Ronald Reagan issued during their eight years in office.
Well-known names were rare on Bush's holiday pardon list. There have been efforts to get Bush to pardon former Louisiana Gov. Edwin Edwards, who was convicted in 2000 with four others in a scheme to rig riverboat casino licensing; disgraced track star Marion Jones, who lied about using steroids; Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, former U.S. Border Patrol agents who were convicted of shooting a drug smuggler in 2005 and trying to cover it up; and Michael Milken, the junk bond king convicted of securities fraud.
In his most high-profile official act of forgiveness, Bush saved Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, from serving prison time in the case of the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity.
Libby was convicted of perjury and obstructing justice. Bush could still grant him a full pardon, although Libby has not applied for one.
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Sourdough.  After some checking I found they are still on the "wanna be" list, but no action has been take to grant a pardon.

Due to the strong objections to granting a pardon from within the Border Patrol ranks I don't really expect it to happen. 

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oops, you are right I did not read it that closely.  If he does not I will be really disappointed.
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I remember all the old tales of the Texas Rangers and the border wars.
Times are different and so are expectations.
For good reasons, expectations of our law enforcement groups is more stringent.
The fact that it is reported from within the ranks is even more support for the judgements and letting them stand.
They may very well have been well meaning in their actions, but, meanings do not hold much water.
We, well I, expect much more from the folks that serve. I would say that I demand them too be correct in all that they do and how they perform their jobs. Demand may be a little harsh, but, not very much.
If the actions cannot stand the light of day the, don't do it.
This is a modification of my first knee-jerk reactions too the original reports. I was wrong. 
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Law enforcement must be held to a higher standard.
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This case needs more coverage so america will know the facts. This thing could be some sort of railroad circus like hitlers poeples court.
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