Author Topic: Sighting in .35 Rem. (Read 1945 times)

Bamasnyper · « **on:** December 02, 2008, 02:20:56 AM »

I know this is not the way it should be done, but I hire an "expert" shooter to sight my guns in. I have neither the time nor the location to do it myself, especially during deer season when I spend every spare minute in the woods. I had him to sight in my new 336c in .35 Rem. at 1.5 inches high at a 100yds. Can someone tell me about where it would hit at 50, 150, and 200 yds? I am using the 200gr. Leverevolution ammo. Most of my shots will be under 100 yds. but have a couple of places that it could stretch out to 150.

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2008, 04:07:20 AM »

Quite honestly no one can tell you that only you can determine it by shooting. You can look at the charts on ballistics for the ammo provided by Hornady and get as close as you're going to without shooting but it's only an approximation at best.

Dunno who your "professional" was but it's doubtful he even shot it and likely only used a bore sighter as most such folks do. It's a poor excuse for taking the time to shoot the gun yourself. If you don't have time to shoot then you really shouldn't be out hunting.

bilmac · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2008, 04:41:36 AM »

Greybeard's a hard man. And he's right. Instead of a few days hunting, why not a few days in a place where you can shoot.

Keith L · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2008, 09:14:04 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on December 02, 2008, 04:07:20 AM

If you don't have time to shoot then you really shouldn't be out hunting.

I agrree also. I don't know how you can have confidence in placing the shot correctly unless you have shot the gun and loads prior to the hunt.

lrs · « **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2008, 02:08:55 PM »

I think you owe it to the animal you are planning to harvest to be a competent shooter with your rifle, and to be able to make a humane kill.
In addition, you owe it to any people you might be hunting with to be able to safely handle your firearm.
This might sound harsh, but come on, we are talking about using a high powered rifle.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #5 on:** December 02, 2008, 04:34:44 PM »

Even if he did shoot the gun, we all hold differently and can hit different places with the same gun. How you shoulder the gun, how tight you hold the forearm all are in the formula. Do yourself a favor and go where you CAN shoot the gun and have some fun. Then you won't get spanked here. You do owe it to the game you hunt. DP

deernhog · « **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2008, 05:55:04 PM »

Please tell me this was an attempt to pull someone's chain. I can tell you exactly where my .35 hits out to 125 yards but until he shots his own gun he won't know even if I was to tell him. LMFAO

Bamasnyper · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2008, 03:05:57 AM »

This "expert" is a very good friend of mine. Yes, he shoots the gun and detests bore sighting. I have been using him for years and have 100% confidence in his ability. I know a lot of other people who use him as well. I have killed several deer with guns he has sighted in and have never missed one. I am not an unethical hunter, and I do not take unethical shots at living animals. I do intend to shoot the gun before I hunt with it when I get a spare minute. I was just trying to get some idea of what I might expect from knowledgeable people on this site. Sorry if I offended anyone.

markc · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2008, 03:17:39 AM »

Wish I could help, but I'm wondering why you would wait until deer season had already begun to purchase a new rifle for which you didn't have time to shoot yourself and become familiar with. You must have a very demanding job. I can appreciate that to some degree, but not hiring someone else to do the basics for you. Are there no public shooting ranges near your home? Go where the expert friend goes, and have him help you sight your own rifle in. The harvest is much more rewarding when you've done the ground work yourself. Why does your friend "detest" bore sighting? It is a good way to get the new rifle on paper. Then the shooting to zero in begins. Theres nothing shamefull about beginning with a bore sight, but hopefully that isn't all that is done.

Maybe it is just me, but preparation for deer season begins when the current season ends. Scouting, shooting, preparing etc, is a year around event that makes opening day, and every day of the season such a pleasure.

If your shots are generally under 100 yds, then why did your friend sight it in 1.5" high @ 100 yds, rather than dead on @ 100yds? I'm sure there is some reason there. With that ammo, it isn't going to drop much the extra 50 yds you might take a shot. Sight it in 1.5" high @ 50yds, and you'd probably do better than 1.5" high @ 100yds. makes no sense to me.

Good luck with your shooting.

bilmac · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2008, 04:59:43 AM »

Hey guys, were being a little judgemental here. We don't know Bamasnyer's situation. We for the most part are gun nuts, nay may I say screaming wild eyed fanatics. There are folks who are not, remember. Some of them even hunt. You know days out in the woods decompressing from the big city, time with good friends. Who gives a damm whether you shoot anything or not? Things like that.

Lets not be so hard on Mr Bamas, after all he is a hunter, isn't that where we all started out?.

deernhog · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2008, 02:47:02 PM »

At the risk of flaming I'm off this subject.

Antietamgw · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2008, 11:38:18 AM »

No flame or ill will but no one but you can tell where it will shoot. If you and the friend that sighted it in happen to share the same point of impact (my son, brother and I don't), then you can be pretty sure about the distance he sighted it in with. The height of your scope above the bore can make a big differece in where it shoots when sighted in 1.5 high a 100. A compact scope in low rings is going to be different at various ranges than a large scope in high rings or worse yet those see-through rings when both are sighted in 1.5 high at 100 . You just have to shoot it or have your friend shoot it at different ranges and tell you the result. Hey it's part of the fun - hope you get a chance to get to the range.

Mack in N.C. · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2008, 05:19:43 PM »

i agree with most of the posters here..you need to shoot it yourself and it is more rewarding if you do all the wk...........example...i have a savage 110 270 that i purchased about 1987 or so........it has had 2 scopes..the one i just took off of it was on it for at least 15 years......never lost zero.......never.......i always shhot it right before the season to make sure it is still dead on.......when i went to shoot it this year it was not in focus at 100 yds...i have not touched the focus ring...........i took the scope off and threw it away........new scope came in today.........i mounted it earlier tonight .....in the morning i will bore sight it off of my deck looking at something......then i will go to the range thursday or next tuesday night and zero it in...indoor range of 100 yds...i want it 1 inch high at 100 or 1.5 high....dead on at 25 yds ......no hurry.....i will hunt with my deerslayer, 30-30 or 1 of my pistols until i know where it is hitting.....when i sight in my 12 year olds 243 i make sure it is right...then i have him shoot it to make sure it is still shooting the same for him....i only sight in his gun because he is 12...but, he shoots acouple of boxes before the season to get used to the gun... ...as long as you shoot it at 25, 50 and 100 after he sights it in, i think you are ok but dont rely on scope to be on and go hunting without shooting it..........you cannot rely on another to sight in a gun no matter how good they are..........just my opinion,,mack

mannyrock · « **Reply #13 on:** December 11, 2008, 05:49:43 AM »

Hmmm Bamas,

Assuming that you are comfortable with having someone sight in your rifle, and that you will shoot the rifle the same way as he, then I am afraid that you have still done it backwards.

Why did you tell him to sight it in 1.5 inches high at 100 yards? Where did you get that number? Did you just pick it out of the air?

You START with obtaining a balistics chart on your particular cartridge and bullet weight. Then depending on how far out you want your maximum shooting range to be (for example, 200 yards), you then consult the chart and see where the bullet would be (should be) hitting at 100 yards (for example, the chart may show this to be 2.5 inches high), and THEN you tell the guy who is sighting it in for you to sight it in at 2.5 inches high at 100 yards.

Hope this helps.

Mannyrock

BBF · « **Reply #14 on:** December 11, 2008, 10:05:36 AM »

Using Remington Factory 200 gr load info:

1.5" high at 100 yards will give you a Zero between 130 and 135 yards.
At 175 yards you are minus 4 " and you have 890 ftlb of energy left. That is as far as I would want to go with that cartridge on deer.

The Federal load is good for 200 yards if set up to shoot 2.5 inch high at 100 yards.

tanoose · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2008, 08:10:29 AM »

Bamasnyper i sent you a PM

Blowtorch53 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 07, 2009, 05:13:40 AM »

Hi Bama,

My boss does the same thing. He sends his rifle to a local range to sight it in before the season and never fires it himself. I would never do that myself, but that is just me. I do not have confidence in any rifle to shoot where I want it without personally shooting it myself. This is an interesting topic.

Thanks,

Blowtorch

mountainview · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2009, 07:11:55 AM »

Bamas,
I appreciate the time and access difficulties confronting many working folks and professionals who desire to get out to the woods (particularly those in the large metro areas where the nearest range may be an hour's drive away).

In your case, one thing I would suggest is to try and go to one of the many sight in clinics that clubs run prior to deer season. Up here club members normally will do the sighting in but they do encourage folks to go to the second range to fine tune and/or shoot some rounds themselves to verify the zero and there are many knowledgeable folks on hand to assist if needed.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:11:38 AM »

To bad you don`t have.....time. Your missing out on a lot of fun.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #19 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:54:55 AM »

I am in a hunting club that doesn't allow us to sight in our rifles during deer and turkey season. I can understand his problem. You then have to go to a range which may be an hour or so away. So, he may not have time if he works long hours or so. If he knows his load, bullet weight, etc. and knows the sight in range. He can look a ballistics charts to see where it should hit at various ranges. A Shooters Bible is a good start. There are also websites that could help.