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Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« on: January 24, 2009, 06:42:43 AM »
I stumbled across this at Mike Vanderboegh's blog,  ( http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com )

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

2009 Montana Legislature

HOUSE BILL NO. 246

INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK

 A BILL FOR AN ACT ENTITLED: "AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN MONTANA; PROVIDING FOR THE DUTIES OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL; AND PROVIDING AN APPLICABILITY DATE."

 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:

      NEW SECTION.  Section 1.  Short title. [Sections 1 through 7] may be cited as the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".

      NEW SECTION.  Section 2.  Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares that the authority for [sections 1 through 7] is the following:

     (1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

     (2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

     (3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition.

     (4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

     (5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures to Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was approved by congress and the people of Montana, and the right exists as it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

      NEW SECTION.  Section 3.  Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 7], the following definitions apply:

     (1) "Borders of Montana" means the boundaries of Montana described in Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.

     (2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.

     (3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to springs, screws, nuts, and pins.

     (4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.

      NEW SECTION.  Section 4.  Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into Montana from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Montana.

      NEW SECTION.  Section 5.  Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:

     (1) a firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;

     (2) a firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;

     (3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or

     (4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.

      NEW SECTION.  Section 6.  Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in Montana under [sections 1 through 7] must have the words "Made in Montana" clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.

      NEW SECTION.  Section 7.  Duties of the attorney general. (1) A Montana citizen whom the government of the United States attempts to prosecute, under the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce, for violation of a federal law concerning the manufacture, sale, transfer, or possession of a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured and retained within Montana must be defended in full by the Montana attorney general.

     (2) Upon written notification to the Montana attorney general by a Montana citizen of intent to manufacture a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition to which [sections 1 through 7] apply, the attorney general shall seek a declaratory judgment from the federal district court for the district of Montana that [sections 1 through 7] are consistent with the United States constitution.

      NEW SECTION.  Section 8.  Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 7] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 7].

      NEW SECTION.  Section 9.  Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in [section 3], and retained in Montana after October 1, 2009.

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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2009, 08:02:05 AM »
Very interesting. Very very interesting.

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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2009, 01:22:12 PM »
C.Y.O.A. is always a good thing.  Especially when dealing with the Fed. Government.  Need some more of that to plug all the "holes".  DP
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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2009, 02:23:37 PM »
 ??? ??? ??? Does that mean my state (MT) will protect my 2nd Ammendment rights based on the original contract to statehood and rights guaranteed there-in as of 1889 and oppose any revision by the Federal govevernment?  Thats cool, but how does that work with any changes to Federal law and constitution since 1889?  How do you seperate laws regarding fire arms from any other laws? How does that law apply to federal lands and federal land agencies?  Mind boggling ??? ??? ???  It makes me take a pause.
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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2009, 04:11:09 PM »
It would be very interesting to see it applied.

It would apply only to firearms made and used in Montana.

The real question is whether a firearm made and sold only in Montana and not intended for sale interstate would still fall under the Federal Law.

Would a gun dealer selling only arms and ammunition made in Montana for use only in Montana have to have a Federal firearms license?

Ferderal law would still apply on Federal Property. It would have no effect in regards to criminal law.

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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2009, 04:43:23 PM »
HB 228 looks interesting too.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0228.htm

According to the GOA it would do the following:

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HB 228, A BILL RESTORING THE RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENSE.  Among other
things, this bill reaffirms the right of Montanans to use firearms to
defend themselves or others by providing that:

(1) A law-abiding person threatened with bodily injury has no duty to
flee;

(2) A person may harmlessly and defensively brandish or display a
firearm;

(3) A landlord, hotel, or motel may not prohibit firearms;

(4) An employer who bans firearms has a responsibility for protecting
the employees;

(5) A concealed firearm may be carried without a permit unless used
to commit a criminal offense; and


(6) Deadly force may be used in some cases to effect a citizen's
arrest.

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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2009, 07:21:32 PM »
I like the part about and employer who prohibits firearms, must protect their emplyees. 

Actually I would like to see that expanded to private business. Something to the effect: An business prohibitting the carrying of firearms must protect there customers and are liable if they don't

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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 06:18:19 AM »
I'm sorry, but I still do not see how this is going to work.  The criteria given to how they override federal law does not seem to make sense to me.  All I see is a huge can of worms(lawyers) here.  I defend my second amendment rights, but not to the degree that it takes precedence over other constitutional rights like illegal search and seizure.
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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 01:07:49 PM »
See how what is going to work?

There is nothiing here that has any thing to do with the Federal law or rights granted under the U.S. Constitution.

What posted by Forster is Montana law and not federal Law. Don't confuse the two.

 The link is well worth opening and reading  http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0228.htm.

One thing I did not see that Forster sited was carrying a weapon concealed did not require a permit.  What I did see was that if someone did carry a weapon concealed and committed a crie withthe weapon there is a enhanced penalty.

 "45-8-316.  Carrying concealed weapons. (1) Every A person who carries or bears concealed upon his the person, if using it to commit a criminal offense, a dirk, dagger, pistol, revolver, slingshot, sword cane, billy, knuckles made of any metal or hard substance, knife having a blade 4 inches long or longer, razor, not including a safety razor, or other deadly weapon shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $500 or imprisonment in the county jail for a period not exceeding 6 months, or both.

     (2)  A person who has previously been convicted of an offense, committed on a different occasion than the offense under this section, in this state or any other jurisdiction for which a sentence to a term of imprisonment in excess of 1 year could have been imposed and who carries or bears concealed upon his the person, if using it to commit a criminal offense, any of the weapons described in subsection (1) shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $1,000 or imprisoned in the state prison for a period not exceeding 5 years, or both."

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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 01:38:47 PM »
See how what is going to work?

One thing I did not see that Forster sited was carrying a weapon concealed did not require a permit.  What I did see was that if someone did carry a weapon concealed and committed a crie withthe weapon there is a enhanced penalty.

 "45-8-316.  Carrying concealed weapons. (1) Every A person who carries or bears concealed upon his the person, if using it to commit a criminal offense, a dirk, dagger, pistol, revolver, slingshot, sword cane, billy, knuckles made of any metal or hard substance, knife having a blade 4 inches long or longer, razor, not including a safety razor, or other deadly weapon shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $500 or imprisonment in the county jail for a period not exceeding 6 months, or both.

     (2)  A person who has previously been convicted of an offense, committed on a different occasion than the offense under this section, in this state or any other jurisdiction for which a sentence to a term of imprisonment in excess of 1 year could have been imposed and who carries or bears concealed upon his the person, if using it to commit a criminal offense, any of the weapons described in subsection (1) shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $1,000 or imprisoned in the state prison for a period not exceeding 5 years, or both."


Yeah that was a Gun Owners of America's interpretation (that CCW wouldn't require a permit).  From reading the above paragraphs the only angle I can think that they (the GOA) are coming from is that you get a fine if carrying a weapon and commit a crime and conversely, if you are carrying a weapon and are not committing a crime, there is no punishment, and hence no permit required for CCW.

Now a couple of problems I have with the rest of the bill have to do with landlords, hotels & motels and employers because IMO those provisions infringe on private property rights.  As a property owner I ought to be able to say what legal activity is or is not allowed on my property.

Don't even get me going on smoking bans and private property rights.  ;D

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Re: Montana Firearms Freedom Act
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 02:30:13 PM »
GOA has stretched that one a bit.