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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2009, 03:57:43 PM »
BILLY. Now it seems tm is blaming Israel for sacrificing all those Godless ones. They weren't sacrificed, they were rightfully killed as combatants. No reason for them to have lived. I talked to some tankers at Ft Knox a few years back. The Godless ones got what they deserved, a meeting with the real God. Bet they didn't get their virgins. Thanks for your service friend. Who knows, you might have taken tm prisoner and didn't know it. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2009, 09:16:34 PM »
Sacrifice of 150k retreating Iraqis? Not even Iraq reported #s that high. Try 35k enemy combatants who were engaged in fire and maneuver. Seriously man, you're your own worst enemy on the battlefield of ideas.
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« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2009, 11:19:55 PM »
TEAMNELSON. Ya gotta understand that tm gets his info from his al jazeera and other pro Godless sources. With him it's always America bad, Godless ones good, Israel bad, Godless ones good, Christians bad, Godless ones good. See the connection???We aren't positive but I believe that tm is a pr guy for Iran or some other Godless nation that he lives in. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2009, 01:19:57 AM »
TeamNelson, TM don't know too much about anything military. I have really been on his case about spewing incorrect information. He waas spewing about IFF systems on planes and I was in Air Defence and could tell everything he said was BS.
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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2009, 08:11:12 AM »
So based on 18 year old data cited in admittedly biased source citing unnamed top US officials, collated by yet another party (sandeep) who is also admittedly biased ...

TM7, you are consistent, I'll give you that. Lacking first and second hand knowledge, you rely on 3rd hand knowledge with open bias. Those who disagree with your conclusions are either idiots (ad hominem) or part of the conspiracy (red herring) ... I take that you consider me a political officer a sign that you regard me in the latter category. Thank you for not thinking I'm an idiot.

I have facts that differ from yours; facts I acquired directly (first hand) and through interaction with several Iraqis who were present for the events in discussion here (second hand). I have no problem with your desire to investigate anything, if there was such a thing as a political officer, and were I one of those perhaps I would, but I don't. But don't settle for the facts that so easily fit into your presuppositions. Or at least be up front with your bias so we can factor that into the dialogue.

Your misrepresentation of Christianity is what rattles me, because I'm a Chaplain. 
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« Reply #65 on: November 04, 2009, 10:05:12 AM »
Chaplain...fine. Political officer the other half of the time....fine.   So you have special information and knowledge the rest of us don't have... fine?  Is this secret knowledge....fine?  There's so much info and data on the GW1 death toll and whatnot it is uncanny.  While most of this comes from sources other than US officials and is not hard to fathom why. Basically, Iracq has been under seige for 20 years or more years...likely death toll overall is 10 million!

You claim Christianity your faith and accuse me of misrepresenting this faith....now just how do you figure that?
But I do know one thing...you and others do misrepresent islam routinely to bolster some foreign policy nwo agenda.,,,whether you realize it or not this violates Truth.  I understand you have an axe to grind with anything arabbist, muzzie, or critical of your rational scheme of things, but that is your cross to bare seeing as how you chose your career and caught up in the contrived conflicts.  I'm sorry for your injuries, but they are not my fault...if I had my way you wouldn't have any injuries.....best of luck.

..TM7 

TM7, if the "you" in your post is personal, i.e. referring to me, then I am suprised. As you know, I have been working with the Arab world for almost 20 years now, only part of that in a military capacity. As you also know, I speak, read and write Arabic, and have studied the Quran, Hadith and the Ummah in original languages and with some highly trained Muslim scholars, and have dragged my family all over the the Muslim world extensively. I chose all of that actually because I like people, all kinds of people, even you TM7. My faith is just that, faith. I've no theocratic agenda, in fact I'm opposed to that because God is, and I serve Him, so I have to be. My service as a Chaplain is to the young people of our country who are willing die for your right to be a conspiracy theorist, a right you would not have in any of the Muslim countries I've lived in. I've not personally done any of the things you accuse me of here, but I see it as another red herring you are throwing out there to draw attention away from yourself. That I have first hand knowledge isn't special; millions of people do. As you pointed out, there's a lot of data. I disagree with you, sir, that is all. If you can't fathom that; if you must demonize me for it, so be it.

Here's a suggestion: go volunteer with Refugee Services and have a cup of coffee with some of the Iraqi and Somali refugees being brought to the US. Or if you live near Columbus, Detroit, Chicago, Phoenix, or any of the other large enclaves of Iraqi or Somali immigrants, go over and find a coffee shop and hang out. Ask them what they think. Or find a copy of the international best seller outside the US - Why we hate America. There are a lot of great people out there who follow a different faith and speak a different language than us. They make great coffee, shwarma, love their families, and want what's best for them. They're no more a part of a grand conspiracy to destroy truth, justice, and the american way any more than I'm a part of the zionist NWO's grand project. For those that can't see that, I truly do have pity - you're missing out on an awful lot.
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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2009, 11:10:12 AM »
TEAMNELSON. Don't go confusing tm with truths and facts, it gives him a headache. Tm will always back his Godless brothers and sisters. With him it's always islam good, Christians bad. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2009, 12:59:44 PM »
tm. The ONLY ones saying that the koran was revealed by God is you and the other muslims. The koran was nothing more than the rantings of mohamed, a pedophile, rapist, murderer, etc. He was a lot of things, but ceretainly not a prophet of God. You have a way of twisting words to suit yourself while ignoring truth. Hope you weren't hurt in the rioting today. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2009, 01:20:44 PM »
Actually, I have to give TM some credit. Instead of an answer that might be 3 or 4 sentences, he can stretch it out to a 20 minute read, and connect it to something that happened 2000 years ago. I just hope someday I'll have the time to read one of his answers without having to get up and go to the bathroom before I'm half finished with it.(hate getting old)  gypsyman
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« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2009, 01:22:53 PM »
Actually gypsyman, it "IS" about something that happened 2000 years ago if you just think about it.
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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #70 on: November 04, 2009, 01:26:38 PM »
 TM:
  Your Islamic "prophet" has dug his own pit. He supposedly recognizes Jesus as a prophet or some such thing. One thing both Christians and Muslims seem to recognize..a true prophet of God will not lie.
  It was not necessary or Jesus to refer to himself as the "Son of God"..others kept doing so. When Jesus asked Peter, he said Jesus is the "Son of God"..Jesus neither corrected Peter or any of the many, many others who did so. He was quick to correct error..such as the money-changers or the Pharisees, who he referred to as "whited sepulchures" or "vipers". He did though refer to himself as the Son of God
 in  1 John 1:1-10 .
  It may hurt your feelings but He also referred to himself as being God, saying ...when they had seen him, they have seen the Father...
  also he said he and the Father are one..
  When Thomas thrust his hand in Jesus' side, he remarked .."My Lord and my God"..Jesus did not correct him...
  In my earlier post, I showed you a link   http://www.biblestudytools.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=son+of+God&section=2&version=kjv&new=1&oq=son+of+God  where He was time and again called "the Son of God" , and that with no denial coming from Jesus himself..especially when Jesus was pleased by Peter's answer as to who he (Jesus) was.
  ...By not recognizing Jesus as the Son of God and even God Himself, after all the proofs offered is (IMO) voluntary denial in it's most pure form, so further discussion in the face of such intentional denial is simply "casting pearls".
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« Reply #71 on: November 04, 2009, 01:43:27 PM »
I chose to address one point in your post earlier (sacrifice of 150,000 retreating Iraqis) because that is a simple matter, easily addressed with data that is verifiable to the satisfaction of most.

I chose not to exhort DDZ, IG, et al on your points 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 because it is not a matter of simple explanation and agreement. They are matters of faith. I realize now that your original post was a matter of faith to you, as your defensiveness indicates. If you read the end of my last post, I have been trying to demonstrate that misunderstanding is all around.

To your point #1: You'll notice I do not use the term "muzzie" which I regard as disrespectful. I use the term "conspiracy theorist"  to mean a person who theorizes about conspiracies. Whether or not they live in their mom's basement and wear a tinfoil hat is not contained in that appelation; apologies if that is what you thought I implied.

I will speak to point #5, the integrity of the Qu'ran, though as I have had unique opportunity to study that claim. Concerned about disunity, all copies of the Qu'ran were ordered destroyed by Caliph Uthmann (cited in the Sahi Bukhari, Hadith), and an authorized version was written by his staff and sent out. There were as many as 4 versions prior to that, each representing one of Mohammeds friends to whom he had spoken the Quran. Recent archaelogical work in Yemen found copies sealed inside a building that predate the purge. The work was quickly bought out and stopped. You will find that issue mentioned in open dialogue between Christians and Muslims and the leading Islamic Seminary in Cairo has traditionally avoided the discussion. Comparisons of the authenticity of the Quran vs the Bible are figs to apples; completely different traditions.

To #6, the US will continue to fail in its dealings around the world because we think everyone else wants to be like us. Being like us is something worth dying for, in my mind, so patriotism is not misplaced in defense of our way of life. But to imagine that everyone else should too is exceeding patriotism, and we fail when we do that. Id like to think my influence on two combat tours made our assistance to the local population more meaningful and more honoring of them. Humanist manifesto, right? What man is a man who does not make his world a better place. Light candles, folks; stop cursing the darkness.

A lot of your other points are truly not matters of pure fact, but rather truths mixed with various theories. Do Muslims study the Torah, the Naba''a and the Injil, sure ... but they do so with a premise that it has been corrupted by polytheists. Abram came from Ur, sure, but predates the earliest recorded use of the "arab" title by centuries. That's like calling the Pima, Arizonans. Dome of the rock, are you referring to the site of the sacrifice of Isaac? I'm not a zionist; I'm apalled at the billions we send each year to underwrite abortion in Israel. There are alot of Palestinian Christians, and Israeli Arab Christians caught in this crossfire as well. Being Christian does not mean being zionist, or even pro-Israel the nation when its in rebellion as it is today. And we are all Muslims per the Qu'ran. There is no guarantee of eternal life for anyone, period. Ultimately, God is capricious and will probably send many devout to hell, and many heathens to paradise ... that is the theology of Islam taught at their seminaries. So the practice of Islam is mostly about a better world here, and not much of the after life. Guarantees for martyrs are not-quranic, and usually stem from the Ummah, or collective wisdom of the people, or mostly from the mind of a particular Imam.




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Re: One man's terrorist....
« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2009, 02:02:18 PM »
I have to agree with you TeamNelson, ALOT of TM's rhetoric is meerly repeating information whether true or not if it fits his agenda. I have caught him trying to make claims about things which are completly false. He makes wild claims about the IFF being turned off on the airliners on 9/11, IFF is used as a electronic form of password and challenge on MILITARY aircraft. I happened to be in the Air Defence branch of the Army in GW1. Also he was linking up how we would use these "super death ray" weapons. The link lead to some claimed kit that made claims of a several kilowatt lazer that ran on, now get this AA batteries. I happen to have a degree in electronic technology and It would take literally thousands of AA batteries to run that for even a short burst.


Now back to the subject here. Terrorists are fer the most part muslim, we all know that. The problem is the "good" muslims are enablers of these bad ones. They do not condemn the attacks and often will not reveal information if known. The Mosgues often hide the terrorists and are often a base of operations.

TeamNelson I bet you have even experiances in Iraq, attacks being sent forth out of mosques and the Armys hands being tied against attacking the source.
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« Reply #73 on: November 04, 2009, 06:13:08 PM »
Do y'all know who typically becomes an Imam? The 2nd son. #1 son gets the business, #2 gets a robe, all the rest get squat. Catholic families in the US used to do that. So your little brother is getting $ to hide detonators and copper wire, you love him, you hide him in the mosque. Or most times they threaten the Imam, or in Al Anbar the imams all fled to Baghdad and left their mosques to mwzzein, usually they're a charity case who can read and has a nice voice. Easy push overs. This isn't Jerry Falwell letting the Christian Coalition stack arms at two rivers. It's a bunch of thugs terrorizing a deacon. You can get upset and claim they're all in on it, or you can call it what it is. We even had insurgents standing up sham mosques for protection; most CF don't know the difference. We got the last legit imam in our sector to share the list of govt sponsored official mosques so we knew which were mosques and which were shams ... We can enter shams :)
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« Reply #74 on: November 04, 2009, 11:10:11 PM »
As far as being a house of God, all mosques are shams. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm