thanks ray. that's about what i figgered. do you or any one know if he does long restoration type fore-ends? as i said earlier, they're not collectors but would still like to have long fore-arms. in fact, i have three rollers & none are what they were s'posed to be. first s'posed to be 45/70 ordered from buffalo brothers. was actually swede 12.7 & that was rechambered to 50/? 450gr. boolit ahead of case doesn't engage rifling. 2 & 3 s'posed to be 45/70 & 43'gyptian. 45 actually reformado & 43 appears to be 44-40 or similar. can't find anything in c.o.t.w. that comes any closer than that. hafta git sum cerrosafe to know fer sure. on toppa that, reformado bead blasted & black parkerized. looks better than it sounds. other one bead or sand blasted-even the wood if you can imagine such a thing. as i said, i've seen that other bubba's work. enuff drivel for now. thanks to all, bubba. andre just saw your post. my bbls are 35" if close & price was right would prob' be interested. will also try your e-mail. thanks, bubba