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Defiance
« on: January 03, 2009, 03:13:41 PM »
This should be awesome! Dan Shechtman has mention these guys in his Backwoodsman Magazine articles.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034303/
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 07:45:31 AM »
That does sound very interesting Swampman, I will have to check that out.  :)
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 06:10:42 AM »
 This is a movie about folks who actually did what many of us have only dreamed about being capeable of.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 03:52:27 AM »
I fully intend to see the movie.

All to often, the lesser struggles of the war go un-noticed by people in general who are not history buffs. Very few know about the Warsaw getto resistance, the Sobibor uprising, the attempted uprising at Aushwitz.

As a Jew, I take it to heart when they say "Never again!"

Stories like this must be told as a lesson to never give in to "them". 
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 04:05:03 AM »
I saw the ad for the movie on TV the last couple of days and I'm definitely going to see it.  ;D
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 07:38:00 AM »
History Channel ran a program about these brothers. Pretty good stuff, we're so soft, how many of us pampered Americans would just lay down and die if we got cold and hungry.

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 08:58:13 AM »
History Channel ran a program about these brothers. Pretty good stuff, we're so soft, how many of us pampered Americans would just lay down and die if we got cold and hungry.

Very accurate, I'm afraid.
JMHO, but I believe we need to think about going back to required military service for every young man, and woman, so that we can again become a country of strength. Look at Israel, or even Switzerland, and their example. I know that I would have benefited greatly from military service 30 or so years ago.

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 09:04:48 AM »
we're so soft, how many of us pampered Americans would just lay down and die if we got cold and hungry.

Plenty will die without electricity for a few days.  We lose power here for a week or so every year or 2.  You wouldn't believe how helpless folks are.  They can't even heat up the food they have.  I have to remind them that they have a gas grill.
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 09:38:04 AM »
natures way of cleaning up the gene pool
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 08:23:23 AM »
we're so soft, how many of us pampered Americans would just lay down and die if we got cold and hungry.

Plenty will die without electricity for a few days.  We lose power here for a week or so every year or 2.  You wouldn't believe how helpless folks are.  They can't even heat up the food they have.  I have to remind them that they have a gas grill.

The problem is magnified by the fact that people don't even know how to dress for winter anymore. They crank up the heat in thier homes, wear t-shirts, and run out to the car without even taking a coat. They don't think at all about the car may break down. Most people I know don't know how to layer clothing, and think a cotton hoddie sweatshirt is all they need.

I doubt many homes have some real wool blankets or sleeping bags on hand.
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 01:53:32 PM »
And tennie runners on the feet.

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2009, 08:38:43 AM »
good post !
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 09:37:43 AM »
sorry i didnt catch it right away, but the thread has been cleaned up.  the initial offending post and all posts related to it are gone.    
 
  everyone is entitled to their opinion. i dont like deleting posts that folks took time to make.  i try to respect that as i hate it when my posts get whacked. that being said, this is the "survival skills" forum, not "the evil jews" forum; and this forum aint getting sucked into that stuff.  please keep the topics related to the subject. 

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i intend on seeing the movie as it looks very good to me. 

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 01:30:10 PM »
flick does look like a must see.heck i kinda like it when the power goes out. especially in the winter.

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2009, 02:16:57 PM »
Ray Mears talks about these guys....also alot of other great videos. Have to sign up, but it is free and there isn't any silly emails or anything. Look up Ray Mears on the site for the rest of his episodes.


http://www.veoh.com/videos/v63262042Eq9PDkA?rank=6&jsonParams={%22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22ray+mears%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22veohOnly%22%3Atrue%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%226515842080650842112%22}&searchId=6515842080650842112&rank=7
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2009, 11:57:41 PM »
That's good stuff!
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2009, 10:06:25 AM »
we should not confuse the Jews survival skills . One of the best books i have read on survival in a hostile world was by a Jew and his life in Israel near the west bank .
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2009, 11:36:00 AM »
I finally am going to have some free time on my hands and plan on trying to go see this movie tomorrow.

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2009, 01:47:27 PM »
Saw the movie. Its a MUST SEE. The vigilance of these people is commendable considering the odds.

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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2009, 02:18:43 PM »
Thanks buffermop, you have me convinced to head to the theater tomorrow.
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 04:50:27 PM »
I went to see it tonight.  It was great!
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2009, 03:37:38 AM »
I still have not made it, got ready to go, called the nearby Cinema 16 and they don't have it playing there. I really don't want to have to drive 60 miles away to see it, so I'll hold out unto it comes out on DVD.
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Re: Defiance
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2009, 06:08:00 PM »
I have not seen the movie, "Defiance." I don't know that I dare; it may strike too close to home for me.

My mother was in the Belgian Resistance during World War II.
Her first husband, Pierre, was the leader of a small Belgian Resistance group. He was betrayed by another member, under torture, and thrown into Breendonk torture camp, south of Brussels.
Mom was twice imprisoned by the Gestapo, in St. Gilles Prison in Brussels.
She survived, Pierre did not.
Two weeks before D-Day, Pierre was shipped to Frankfurt and executed.
My mother was a 26-year-old widow when she met my father, an American G.I. They corresponded for two years after the war's end. She came to America in 1947 and loved this country, though she never became a citizen because she got a small pension from Belgium for her sacrifices during the war.
Her resistance group provided information to British Intelligence, as well as smuggled downed allied fliers to safety.
She earned that pension. She would have lost it if she'd taken American citizenship.
Mom died in 1983 after fighting cancer for nine years.
Dad died in 1998 from a sudden heart attack. He outlived Mom by 15 years -- and missed her every day.

And every day, I sit at my computer and hear of "heroes" of basketball, rock and roll, NASCAR, country western and so on. Heroes? What have they sacrificed?

A hero sacrifices something of great value: life, limb, mind, home, family, security, etc. for the good of his fellow man -- without hesitation and without asking for reward.
Just what a sports or rock and roll hero sacrifices is beyond my understanding. I've known 18-year-old USAF Airmen who sacrificed more than these "heroes."

I have real heroes to honor. I don't need an expensive poster, T-shirt or commemorative plate to remember them by.

Pierre is buried in an old cemetery in downtown Brussels, in a courtyard of true Heroes of the Belgian Resistance. There are about 20 graves there; and every year fewer and fewer flowers are left upon them.

Mom is buried in Spokane, Washington with Dad beside her. Neither of their gravestones mention military service, or service to America. They would have wanted it that way; real heroes have humility.

As for the movie ...

History will never know the full story of those courageous civilians who cried, "If not me, who?" and rose against evil men and women that enslaved, murdered and degraded them.
It is a lesson -- and obligation -- lost on the current generation of youth around the world.
I fear it is a lesson that will be brutally relearned soon, at a cost too horrendous to ponder.
The current generation seems to have no sense of sacrifice or obligation, and decries all violence as evil and poisonous to peace.

As Pierre, my mother and father have taught me by their actions, not all violence is evil.
In fact, at times, it's the only thing that can restore peace and human dignity.

I have not seen the movie, "Defiance" but I hope it stresses that, sometimes, violence is not only necessary, it's demanded of those who would make the world a better place.

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Re: Defiance
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2009, 06:38:59 PM »
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Si vis pacem, parabellum
(Latin for, "If you would have peace, prepare for war.")

Well said, I brought my sons up to protect themselves. I'd tell them that the only time I ever had to fight was when someone thought I couldn't or wouldn't! It holds true for children and it holds true for nations and people!

I have seen a trailer for this movie, I want to see it!

As far as heroes go, People that consider sports personalities as heroes are sadly misguided.  There is a lot of misguided souls walking the streets of this nation now!
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