Author Topic: Got the 7.7x58 Jap. Arisaka 99 (Read 3121 times)

RaySendero · « **on:** November 19, 2005, 11:31:59 AM »

Found a bubbaized 7.7 for $99. I've priced cases, dies and bullets - No problem there.

Rifflings looks brand new. Sights have been removed and lost. Barrel and action have been reblued - It a real good job. New wood stock fitted very well to gun. Stock looks to be 1960 vintage "weatherby type look" - Black fore end cap and white spacers at both the butt and grip cap. Straight bolt and not drilled/tapped for scope mounts. Dealer says he's had it many years. Really with out any means of sighting I think this was some one's project rifle from long ago that never got finished.

So how do you get a scope on it with that straight bolt. How much would this gunsmithing run me? Y'all comments - Would you put $ in this project?

Toney · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2005, 01:27:28 PM »

weaver makes mount i payed $10 for mine there hard to sell but very good rifles Killed doe this morning with my $50 bubba

Robert357 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2005, 08:20:05 PM »

I paid $150 for mine, but got a Lee Loader in the caliber and some Norma ammo. The mum is still completely there, but Bubba bent the bolt, cut the barrel and recrowned it, put a new front sight on it and a Williams type peep site on the rear along with a "Mauserish" stock and a nice reoil pad.

My advice is to yes, purchase it and then immediately go to Graf & sons and buy some 7.7 unprimed brass or some Hornady loaded ammo so you will be able to shoot it.

If you are game, I found that it is very easy to fire form 8mm Mauser brass into something that can by used for shooting in a Type 99 Arkisaka.

I really like my Arisaka and its is lots of fun. Go for it and enjoy!

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2005, 05:48:24 AM »

I paid $200 for my sporter it came with a weaver v7 scope aftermarket trigger ect. Shoots really well a fuzz over 1" at 100yds with 180gr sierra bullets.

Shorty · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2005, 11:01:03 AM »

Ray,
Your rifling looks new because it is hard chromed.

RaySendero · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2005, 11:58:05 AM »

Nice rifle Krochus!

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2005, 01:15:51 PM »

Quote from: RaySendero

Nice rifle Krochus!

Thanks here is a pic of the best group so far.

RaySendero · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2005, 02:07:13 PM »

Anyone know what the safe pressure limit is for the action?

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2005, 02:45:38 PM »

OH hanything in the 30-06/308 family of cases and corresponding pressures should be OK. Beyond that I'd be very wary.

Oldtimer · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2005, 09:05:47 AM »

If the bore is hard-chromed, it was a mid-production gun. The very early ones did not have a chrome bore, but when the Japanese army got into the Pacific islands, they quickly discovered that the bores would be ruined in very short order, because of the humidity and the corrosive primers.
I have one that was probably unissued, brought back by my father-in-law. It has the chrysanthemum ground off, which means it was a weapon that was turned into an arms depot.
The action is a modified Mauser action, and is known for its strength, at least in the early and middle war weapons. The later ones were crudely made and not safe for anything but hanging on a wall. The one I have has a sporting-grade blue on it. I only have one modern gun that has as good a blue, and it came out of the Remington custom shop.

Japlmg · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2005, 03:41:54 PM »

The T99 rifle sported a chromed bore from the very start of production. The chromed bore was deleated due to strategic metals shortages in 1943.
Even late production "Substitute Pattern" T99's (the so called Last Ditch T99 rifles) are very much safe to shoot. Only the very late production "Emergency Use" T99 rifles are questionable; and the chances of finding one of them for sale is very remote, as they are very rare and very valuable to collectors.
Regards, Gregg

Slamfire · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2005, 09:30:49 PM »

In Ackley's blow up tests, he found the last ditch rifle second in strength only to the Type 38. The actions are very strong, due to the elaborate heat treatment they received. Overloads that destroyed Enfields, Springfields and Mausers didn't bother the Arisaka actions. although they did give up some of the parts affixed to the actions. When smoke comes out the gas vent hole, you've exceeded the strength of the brass, and ought to back off.

Robert357 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2005, 07:22:03 AM »

Quote from: Slamfire

When smoke comes out the gas vent hole, you've exceeded the strength of the brass, and ought to back off.

Actually, there are earlier signs of overpressure that should not be ignored. . ... . . .hard extraction, flattened primers, smashed case heads that distort engraved information, distorted case heads, gas cutting around primers are among some of them.

It is nice to have a strong action, but it is important to not overload any action.

RaySendero · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2005, 11:18:25 AM »

OK Guys, Bought the 7.7 today but... :cry:

Think I found the reason the project was left unfinished - The safety won't go on safe. I may be able to put another striker in the bolt. If that doesn't fix it, Does anyone know of an after market safety that will work on a 7.7x58 bolt?

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2005, 01:04:42 PM »

My rifle has what I believe to be a timey trigger wich uses a Remington700 style side saftey, the original saftey has been disabled on my rifle by a small stud welded onto the bottom of the stryker piece.

Slamfire · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2005, 02:28:15 PM »

The sear is supposed to rotate clockwise and take up position behind a shoulder machined in the reciever ring. Push in on the Bolt shield to rotate.

RaySendero · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2005, 04:38:32 AM »

Quote from: Slamfire

The sear is supposed to rotate clockwise and take up position behind a shoulder machined in the reciever ring. Push in on the Bolt shield to rotate.

The safety can be pushed-in but will not rotate to the safe position.

RaySendero · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2005, 04:52:06 AM »

Quote from: Krochus

My rifle has what I believe to be a timey trigger wich uses a Remington700 style side saftey, the original saftey has been disabled on my rifle by a small stud welded onto the bottom of the stryker piece.

Kro,

Thx - did not know I had this option. Also found a complete bolt assembly on Numrich for $70. Nice to know there are solutions! That way I can just bubbaize it - FIX IT OR BREAK It! If striker doesn't do trick - May just need some milling to get it in alittle farther so in can turn.

I'll post some pics soon - Like to have some before and after pics if your interested. Maybe a while as really not in any hurry on this project as am still working on a Vz-24 and a K-31.

RaySendero · « **Reply #18 on:** December 17, 2005, 05:20:49 PM »

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RaySendero · « **Reply #19 on:** November 25, 2007, 06:52:41 AM »

Quote from: krochus on November 20, 2005, 01:15:51 PM

Quote from: RaySendero
Nice rifle Krochus!

Thanks here is a pic of the best group so far.

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jelsr · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2009, 10:29:03 AM »

Very good rifle, mine still has the mum and is rebarreled to 257 Ack Imp, timney trigger, thumbhole stock, and 3X9 weaver glass. I converted it to cock on opening and turned the bolt handle down. The barrel is 1 in 12 and will shoot 1" groups at 200 yds (off a bench rest) Ackley said they would shoot anything you could run through the magazine.

Jim

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2009, 10:38:24 AM »

got a box stock one , just reading to get ideas

RaySendero · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2009, 01:20:08 PM »

Guys,

This thread is over 3 years old! Even my old pics are gone.

If you are still interested - Here's what she looked like 4 years ago:

And here's what she looks like now:

Refinished the stock, floated the barrel, had a new turned down bolt handle fitted, jeweled the bolt, glass bedded the action, added weaver bases, weaver quad rings and installed a Huber SS trigger. Is one of my favorite carry around rifles now, 24" barrel at 7 lbs w/ 4X scope. Also, hits pretty hard with a 174 Hornady reload of IMR-4064 going just under 2,600 fps.

Old Fart · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:33:32 AM »

One of these old rifles was the first gun I purchased ($40). A nieghbor had let me help him reload when I was a kid, which is where I got started in that evil dark craft.

Anyway that had everything to do with me buying this rifle. Ammo was a little difficult to find and pricey. I still have that gun almost 40 years later and I still shoot it and still reload for it. Mine was sportized. They pulled the dust cover and hand guard off, added a Lyman peep sight, shortened the stock, and probably re-blued it. For a bubba conversion it was one of the better I've seen. Other than refinishing the stock once I haven't done anything to it.

When I was younger and wasn't sight deaf I could hold that old thing on a styrofoam coffee cup hanging on a tree limb at 100 yards. Now........well maybe 25 yards.

OF

RaySendero · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:39:37 PM »

Mine was sportizered many years ago. I had seen that rifle at the same gun store off and on for over 10 years! The owner told me after I bought it that he had been putting it out 3 or 4 times a yr for a month at a time. He also said that he really didn't know how old it was as it was part of the original inventory when he bought the shop.

You can see form the "beginning pics" that Bubba had gotten a hold of it at some time in the past. I speculated early 1970s based on that Fajen stock of that era. He actually did a very good job - He just didn't finish it.

I probably spent more $$$ on it than it will ever be worth - But I enjoyed working on that project may more so than any prevoius and it turned out to be a good looking project, too.

PS: Maybe you should shoot your's more often - Always more fun to shoot a rifle for nalstalgic reasons.

Old Fart · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:09:56 PM »

Oh I still shoot mine. Just not as effectively as I used to.

OF