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Offline handcanon

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« on: September 02, 2003, 09:51:37 AM »
Some one once special made a pistol cases that I think it was 445 supper mag. It may have been the .454 And it had small primers not large so it could take more pressure. Do any of you remember that, and would it work on bigger cases? I think it would work more brass on the bottom and smaller place for the primer just sounds like the way to go.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2003, 10:28:37 AM »
I don't know if this helps but the 454 brass I use takes small rifle primers.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2003, 10:47:48 AM »
who makes the brass you use
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2003, 10:52:20 AM »
I know the 6 mm BR and 7 mm BR both have brass with small primer pockets
this is suppose to improve the accuracy

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2003, 11:11:59 AM »
thats right my 7mm br brass has a small primer pocket, didnt think about that. But wouldnt help with pressure too?
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2003, 01:29:33 PM »
I think it's Win. and Starline I can look when I get home If you like.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2003, 01:35:03 AM »
The use of small primers in large-capacity cases is for consistency and accuracy. The best illustration that comes to mind is the .22 CHetah (CH for Carmichael-Huntington). It is essentially a .308 Winchester necked down to .22 cal. Jim Carmichael had .308 cases made, with a small rifle pocket, in the belief that the small primer would yield more consistent ignition, and better accuracy. His subsequent testing seemed to bear this out. I might add, that this was in a Benchrest-type gun, where every little detail is scrutinized, and tolerances are held to absolute minimum. It is unlikely an"ordinary gun" would see much benefit.
  This will, in no way, increase the pressure-handling abilities of a particular weapon or cartridge. It matters not, from a pressure standpoint, whether the primer pocket is large, or small. For a given velocity, with a certain powder/bullet combination, in a particular weapon, you will get "X" amount of pressure, case back-thrust, and strain on the gun. F'rinstance, it doesn't matter if you use 2gr less powder, and a magnum primer, or 2gr more powder, and a standard primer; if the velocities are the same, the pressures are the same in that gun.
  Sorry for running on, but I don't wish to see you hurt trying to overpressure a cartridge just because it has a small primer. Pressure is still pressure.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bug.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2003, 08:26:19 AM »
Bug
I was just asking if anyone had heard the same thing as I did! Trust me I get enuph out of my cannons with low pressureto keep me happy. But I still think that I saw that some where.
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2003, 04:19:00 PM »
:D fyi, the 308 brass was REM B. R. coded urbr by remington. sm primer 454 brass was made and sold by casull, they then went to large primers. the primer called for in both instances is small rifle, regular or mag flavor depeding on what you're lighting.
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445 Super Mag is Large Primer (N/T)
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2003, 05:21:51 PM »
N/T

Offline Clev

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2003, 07:53:43 PM »
rickyp  Small primers don't do anything to help accuarcy. What you are thinking of is the small flash hole used on the 6BRLapua and rem cases and the PPC cases that are 60thounds.VS 80thounds. 60 used in the PPC and Lapua cases. All that said is that the 60.000 flash hole gives a more consisinty in the burning of the powder over the large flash holes.