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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2007, 10:21:51 AM »
  Safety is what the individual does not the gun they choose, I agree.  I also believe that as a sportsman, we should limit our liabilities whenever we can. I've hunted with dogs(driving deer) for 40+years and have never seen anyone use a high powered rifle.  High powered rifles have too much range for driving deer.  Most of the shots I take are less than 50 yards.  You shouldn't need a 30-06 for that kind of distance. I believe in giving fair chase and hunting, not blasting.  I live in SC and there are no places that don't have some kind of house in a five mile radius.  That is why we use buckshot.  IF that is not legal, use a pistol round like .357, 45lc, or even 44 mag.  My opinions are my own, take it or leave it.

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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2007, 10:57:13 AM »
30/30 man , I must disagree , like i said we have hunted that way for years , if you wish to limit your liabilities don't hunt at all . As a safety concern , in some cases the rifle may in fact be safer !
In the cover we hunt ( and i would imagine SC would have much of the same ) you can't see 50 yards , we have set stands , the drivers know the location , and if by chance would it not pose less of a problem to have 1 bullet than 15 buckshot heading in someones general direction ? No mater what you hunt with you should know you have a good back stop before you shoot ! If i hunted with a group that did not respect safety rules or shot at deer with little or no regard for where their bullet would go if they missed or it passed thru. the target then maybe i would feel as you do but as of yet that has not happened !
I feel it is like the wearing of an orange hat , I have heard some say if they don't see orange its safe to shoot .
, i would hate to see people think if they use a shotgun it can't go far enough to hurt someone !
By the way buckshot will go 1300 yds or more ! and yes some high powered rifle cartridges will go miles , but to get one to do so you would be aiming at birds flying not deer running !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2007, 11:52:08 AM »
Oh no not you again 30-30man. I read some fact magazines and websites, most hunting accident occurred by hunters with shotgun.. Believe it or not!

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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2007, 01:45:26 PM »
Don't confuse fact with tradition !
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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2007, 04:50:12 PM »
Naw, come on guys....I really don't care what you use .  Buy an Ak47 if you want, it's America.  Just my views, which are old fashion and mostly unwanted at times.  I guess I am lawsuit paranoid.  Just ignore me and hunt with what you want to. I have my rules and they are mine alone.  I do like the pistol round lever actions though, they are cheap to shoot and can take deer.

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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2007, 06:21:25 PM »
I completely understand you.

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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2007, 03:28:28 PM »
Buckshot is illegal here in NY. On Long Island only shotguns are legal and we drive the crap out of the deer. All I see being used are pumps and auto's.

When hunting upstate NY we use centerfire rifles. My group include pumps, autos, bolts and levers in 30-30, 35 Rem, 30-06, 270, 308, 243, 300 WSM, and 300 Win mag. We mostly sit on stand but drive at the end of the season.

I shot a very small doe with a .357 mag Marlin lever action. I was not impressed.

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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2007, 06:57:30 AM »
Search online for "Battue" rifles. Unfortunately, most of them aren't available here in the US...

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Re: Good Deer Drive Gun
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2009, 06:05:11 PM »
30-30 man, I take your point on limiting your liabilities.
We try to limit our liabilities with planning and positioning. We pre-plan every drive identifying our shoot/no shoot zones with a special emphasis on nearby farmyards, and take special care to ensure that our point men are placed so that once the deer are clear of the bush, everyone can shoot with no crossfires possible. To minimize deflections, I go one step further by using light for the calibre bullets such as 125gr in .30 calibre, and 110gr in the .270 (loading some for next year, 110gr deer bullets in the .270 are recent) . These shoot straight as a string for practical distances, then die off fairly rapidly.
The .25's and smaller already use relatively light bullets, and are already unlikely to deflect much of a chunk of lead once they have made contact with the ground. Once they contact something, and deform, they are probably not much more hazardous over all than a .36 calibre ball (buck shot).
We drive deer without dogs (dogs illegal here) and we use rifles. Shotguns are never seen except in a couple of areas that are shotgun only. I have not actually ever seen one in actual use in a lifetime of hunting.
Shots under 100 yards happen but are rare (I have had 3 in my life, 2 last year), and our point men are rarely closer than 200 yards from each other. We push small and medium sized bluffs into generally open fields. Six to seven people are considered a large hunting group including drivers and point. We trade duties each drive.