Author Topic: Pellet Pistols........... (Read 3637 times)

Del · « **on:** March 26, 2003, 03:55:18 PM »

I'm looking for input / suggestions on a good pump or springer pellet pistol!

Open to all recommendations to make, model, & caliber - except CO2! I'm wanting something that can sit for weeks at a time then be picked up and used in a moments notice. Like when I see that vermin in my yard or when I'm on the out skirts of town and see a ptarmigan that'd be good for dinner.

I look forward to your responses!
Del

big6x6 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2003, 04:17:32 AM »

Not trying to discourage you but they are VERY hold sensitive. They take lots of practice. Avoid the Webley/Beeman Tempest, hardest to shoot of all. The RWS 5-G is a pretty consistant grouper as is a RWS 9-b. I'd probably get a RWS 5-G to start with for a springer. Your best bet might be a Beeman P-3. It is a single stroke pneumatic. You pump/cock is one time. Great accuracy and great trigger. Only slightly less powerful than a 5-G. Chuck

Del · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2003, 05:06:29 AM »

Big6X6,
Thanks for the information, I'll look into those models.
You have a nice collection of pellet pistols there!

1)How does that Crossman pump do for accuracy & power?
2)Also, are all your pistols .177 cal.?
3)Do you have much hunting or pest control experience w/these pistols?
4)What pellets do you like? (I was looking at the RWS H.P. or a good flat nose field / target pellet).

I have used a Crossman pump rifle (mdl.66?) on local Ptarmigan when I was growing up, the regular flat point Crossman pellets would put them down. But I learned quickly that BB's don't work, they just fly away.

Thanks again, Del

Lawdog · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2003, 11:26:17 AM »

Del,

I keep two scoped Crosmen 1377's around just for shooting pests in the barn or the shed. For better accuracy and more power I'd go with the Beeman P1. Comes in .177 or .20 caliber and they got a real nice trigger and are easier to scope if you so want. Just my $.02 on the matter. Lawdog

Questor · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2003, 03:26:44 PM »

The Beeman P1 is excellent. I've had mine for years. It's accurate. It's as powerful as Beeman claims it is. and it's fun to shoot. As was said in a previous post, they are very sensitive to hold, so it makes a good training gun if you're practicing consistency. Shoot pointed pellets in it for vermin-- very effective. Yes, they're not cheap, but it's worth it.

Also, somebody said some bad things about the Tempest. He's right. I bought one and took it back for a refund. No good!

big6x6 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2003, 04:41:04 PM »

The Crosman 1377 has been converted to .22 with a LD bolt by Mac-1 airguns. It shoots HARD! Accurate also. Much easier to shoot than the spring guns. I also have a actual 1377 and a Beeman P-1. It really IS the cream of the crop as far as spring air pistols BUT at ~$300.00 it may be a little much to start with. STILL takes practice to shoot well. I still think you would enjoy a P-3. My favorite. It will shoot one hole groups at 10M and has the power to take starling! BTW, more than a couple of squirrels have fallen to the 1377/22! Chuck

Del · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2003, 05:45:09 AM »

Anyone have expericence with or opinions on the Benjamin pump pellet pistols?

How are they for accuracy, compared to other pistols in the same approx. price range??

I like the fact that I could get it in either, .177, .20, or .22 calilber.

Let me know your opinions!!

Thanks, Del

Lawdog · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2003, 08:30:51 AM »

Del,

It's been a number of years since I fired a Benjamin pump up but at the time they were on par with the Crosman 1377 or the 1322(.22 caliber version of the 1377). A neighbor friend that we bought eggs off of used one on his farm to control pests. He carried it around with him everyday in a holster, loaded ready for use. Lawdog

Del · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2003, 05:55:05 AM »

I'm trying to narrow my choices down for getting a pellet pistol.......

Do you or someone you know have experience w/ .177 & .22 cal. pellet pistols on critters in the field. I'm mainly looking at taking grouse / ptarmigan w/this pistol.

From what I've read the .22 cal. pellet RIFLE is more effective then the .177 cal. on critters, but what about when we compare the same calibers in a pistol?? What do you think would be the better choice between a .177 @ 500 fps VS. .22 @ 400 fps???

Any input would be greatly appreciated! I will be making a purchase this coming week!

Thank you, Del

Lawdog · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2003, 08:06:05 AM »

Del,

I mainly use my Crosman 1377's for pest control. By pests I'm mainly talking about mice, birds up to and including crows(which are very tough to kill) and brush rats around the place. A .22 caliber pellet weights 14 gr. at 400 fps. has 5 fpe.. A .177 caliber pellet weights 8 gr. at 500 fps. has 4 fpe.. These are H&N Match pellets and because of the greater surface area of the .22 it hits harder than the numbers indicate. My personnel hunting pistol is a scoped Beeman P1 in .20 caliber and although they say it only gets 500 fps. factory it actually chronographs at 573 fps. with a H&N Match weighting 11.87 gr. has 9 fpe.. My recommendation is to get the very best pistol you can afford. For me it's the Beeman P1 for hunting and I would get the .20 caliber. With it you get the power of the .22 and the accuracy of the .177, in my opinion the best of both worlds. If you want the RWS 5-G has better sights and a better trigger than either of the Crosman pump up Model's(1377 or the 1322). Lawdog

Del · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2003, 04:08:21 PM »

Well, I made a choice and placed an order for a pellet pistol today!

I located a NIB Crosman model 1322C, (the discontinued .22 cal. version of the Crosman 1377C), and jumped on it while I still could. :grin: I decided I wanted a pump, and really liked the looks, power, & price of the Crosman.

Now the hurry up & wait till it gets here, guess that'll give me time to round up some pellets etc.

Del

Lawdog · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2003, 09:15:29 AM »

Del,

Congratulations on your new toy. Yeah I know the waiting is the hard part. May I make a suggestion? Various pellets makers have what they call a "pellet sampler". Get the one with the largest number of sample pellet and try them till you find the ones your pistol like best. Save you money in the long run. Lawdog

Del · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2003, 02:42:57 PM »

Lawdog,
Thanks for all your feedback, and suggestion to get some pellet sampler packs, that's exactly what I'll do! I look forward to testing pellets to see what "it" likes, then getting out to see how it performs on "critters" in the field. If anything noteworthy happens I'll let you all know!

Thanks again to everyone who responded!
Del

Del · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2003, 05:28:57 AM »

I hate it when you "find" something you've been looking for and place the order over the internet, it says they are in stock, it accepts your order, and gives you a conformation number - only to get an e-mail 2 days later stating "sorry we are unable to fill your oder" :evil: . That's it, no other explanation or information on if they will be getting more or what! :x I will be taking my business some where else!

I'm speaking of the Crosman 1322c pellet pistol that I had ordered, no deal now. So, it's back to the drawing board, trying to decide which one to get. Oh, well, I guess shopping is part of the fun of getting a new toy!

Del

Lawdog · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2003, 07:35:02 AM »

Del,

You can go to the Crosman web site at http://www.crosman.com/ and buy there but the you're not going to be able to purshase the 1322C as Crosman dropped it from there line, I just went there and checked. They still have the 1377C. While there you can check out the Benjamin line of HB models(the HB17, HB20 and the HB22) if you want. To do what you want to do may cost you more than the pump models. Have fun shopping. Lawdog

Del · « **Reply #15 on:** April 02, 2003, 09:31:24 AM »

If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again!

I again located a Crosman 1322 Metalist while searching on the internet! This time I called and talked to a real person, confirmed that they do indeed have it in stock, and placed my order. I called him 2 hours later to ask a question and he said it's already been droped off at the post office enroute to you via Priority Mail!! :grin:

That's the kind of service I appreciate! If you're looking for a gun or gun related items, and Exner's Sportsmans Paradise has it, I would give them a chance. My first impression of them was very good!

This pistol may not be overpowering for hunting ptarmigan & grouse, but I'm sure it will do the job if I limit my range and use a good flat point or hollow point pellet. Del

Lawdog · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2003, 11:46:36 AM »

Del,

I'm glad you got what you wanted. As far as pellets go I have found that for birds a flat nose target type kills quicker than any other type of pellet. They seem to deliver more shock on all types of birds. I've had even small birds fly away after being hit in the body with pointed, round nose and even hollow point pellets trying to protect our beloved berry patch in the wife's garden. We have tried to protect the patch with netting but the birds will tear the cloth netting to get inside. We've used every caliber from .177 to .25 and flat nose pellets just seem to work best. Again have fun with your new pistol and be sure to come back and let us know how you did. Lawdog

Del · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2003, 09:24:56 AM »

I was practicing in the garage w/my new Crosman 1322 pump pellet pistol, shooting the box target I made filled w/crumpled newspaper, numerous sheets of cardboard, plastic bags, etc. All was going well as I pumped it up to 3, then 5, then 6 pumps - but when I pumped it up to 10 and let fly, I got total penetration! :eek: This was at 10 yards with a target / flat nose pellet. So, while I'm in the garage I'll keep it at 5 pumps max till I can put a piece of carpet in there as a final barrier in the back of the box.

After seeing that, I feel better about it's killing ability on small game at short range! Maybe I'll find out on ground squirrels this summer!?

Also after comparing the .177 & .22 caliber pellets side by side, the .177's seem sooo small, I'm glad I went with a .22 cal. pistol! :grin:

Del

Bad Bob · « **Reply #18 on:** September 01, 2003, 06:36:28 PM »

There is a new 5G magnum out and is advertised at I believe 700fps. AGE in Iowa has them I believe around $180. Has an optical front sight and most folks that bought them really like them. LOL.

Deaf Smith · « **Reply #19 on:** September 27, 2003, 02:22:15 PM »

gOT ONE OF THE BEST PUMP PISTOLS OUT THERE The benjamins have more metal in their constructiopn but their valvs do not generate the power of the crosman nor can they be tweaked for more power like the crosman can be. I have a custom made 1322 its a 1377 with a 2250 top end fitted to it so it has a longer than normal barrel. the power is great getting 600 fps with ten pumps. this gun is very accurate and powerful enough to kill anything I would use an airgun to kill. Did you know you have yet another advantagew with the 1322? You can purchace for about $20 what they call an acessory stock and turn your gun into a small compact carbine. Mearly removing the two grip screws allows you to mount the stock with the same two screws! As a mini carbine the gun is even more accurate due to the stock making it easier to shoot accurately. Not too easy to carry holstered but to keep ina corner ina shed a great idea. Just thought ypu would like to know. I have stocks for all my pumps ready to make them carbines at a monents notice.

echochap · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2003, 02:43:12 PM »

I have modified Crosman 2240s in .177, .22, 25, 9mm and a Sheridan Series H in .20. I think that with air pistols your ethically limited to around 20 maybeeee 25 yards depending on the gun, shooter, and game. I like the .22 and .20 for most rabbit sized game. The .25 and especially the 9mm pack a punch, but the trajectory makes them a bit more difficult to shoot at longer range. I have my 9mm being converted to PCP so that may change. For shooting pigeon and quail type quarry, the flat shooting inherent accuracy of the .177 or .20 works well for me. Check out my site, it' just starting up and it has both pistols and rifles, but there will be more stuff coming up on air pistols in the coming months.

http://www.geocities.com/echochap/airgun_hunter.html

Jim