Author Topic: Swiss powder in a longrifle........ (Read 774 times)

tommy4toes · « **on:** September 07, 2003, 08:51:01 AM »

does anybody use this powder? I have almost 29lbs of various granulations that I love to use in my BPCR rifle, but I cant seem to make it work in my Chambers .50...........she will shoot awesome groups with Goex 2F, but the Swiss powder just opens up the groups. Am I bucking the wind here ?

t4t

Underclocked · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2003, 09:34:51 AM »

Everything I've read about Swiss (have never shot any) says to go to the next coarser granulation and back the load down a bit.

KING · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2003, 05:08:11 AM »

t4t I am not familiar with a CHAMBERS .50,I have a .50-140 Sharps,and use SWISS in my .45-70 and my .45-120(along with Elephant and sometimes Goex) . I am using both 1 1/2 FG and 1F in the .50. Go ahead and PM me and i will see what I have in ref. to infomration. Might not be able to get back to ya right away( like within 3 days) but we can see what we come up with. Stay safe...................King. Swiss dos not like compression very well................... :grin: :grin:

tommy4toes · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2003, 12:04:04 PM »

thanks for the replys fellas - I use Swiss exclusively in my BPC rifles, a 45-70 and a 45-90, with great success. I have not, however, been able to get it to work good in my Jim Chambers / Getz- barrelled .50 flint longrifle. Goex works great - in fact I got a quarter sized group at 50 yds with it the other day, but I'd really like to come up with a good Swiss load, cuz i have so much of it.
On the other hand, I may even even order some Goex 3F and try that as well.
Basically I'm just looking for someone that has had some luck with Swiss in a muzzleloader - maybe they have some hints. Like I said the Goex shoots great; maybe I ought to just go with that............ :?

t4t

PA-Joe · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:03:50 AM »

Try cutting your powder down 2/3's from your normal charge.

tommy4toes · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:14:58 PM »

wow - that much Joe ?

johnt · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2003, 08:55:13 PM »

Ya that much.,
Or go to 1.5 granulation like king say's. A .50 is really boarder line with the swiss (1.5 or 2), it's some hot stuff and there is alot of change in variables from PRB to any of the full lead conicals and/or sabots. None are the same,,,,,,,,, need more info, what are ya shootin as projectile?

tommy4toes · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2003, 07:26:36 AM »

johnt
I'm shooting .490RB with a .018(advertised) pillow ticking patch. Rifle is the above-mentioned, with a 1:60 twist i believe. I've tried Swiss 2F and 3F, and was about to say 1.5, but come to think of it, I haven't tried 1.5 yet in THIS rifle. I did try it in my Lyman GPR, which shot pretty well. So I'm going to head out the door and go try the 1.5 as well as re-shoot some loads with a washed pillow-ticking patch. May even get around to muzzlecutting some patches today, as I have the day off

t4t

johnt · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2003, 07:08:23 PM »

I got the pm ty t4t.

Swiss 2-3 is mitey hot for the slow twist and the loose ball/patch combo your trying, I'll bet she's skipping the rifling with that stuff.Try finding spent patch,,,,thar's some learnin can be found lookin at them.

I like a snug fit. That's why I've had my best luck with clean burning/low fouling powders like swiss and t7.
I use a .535 ball and a .024 denim patch in my .54. It's a long story,,,,,but I use the school of Dutch

best wishes,tacks

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2003, 12:53:17 PM »

Tacks

Where are you getting your .024 denim from these days? C'mon now... I don't want to start cuttin' up the wife's blue jeans. I'm hopin' ya guna run me off to a fabric store lookin' fur a curtin brand name. I'm not wantin' to take my clothes calibraters with me. Please Johnny...make it a simple "run in & snatch it up type of thing... then cut it up later into little pieces...will ya?

The school of Dutch Schoultz is excellent, but again I like simple things like running into a gun store & buying Lehigh Valley lube.

KING · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2003, 03:04:04 PM »

I thought that I was the only one using denim. great for recycling old jeans....stay safe.King

johnt · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2003, 07:31:24 PM »

Sorry T7, it ain't that easy, gotta bring the mirometer with an dig :cry:
I found out even fabric shop's don't get the same stuff all the time,they buy "lots" which is a bunch of bolts of fabric at one time of different stuff

But I tell ya what, I'm about due for some new cloth. Bout' 2 weeks from now I'll be shoppin, an when I find what I want,I'll PM ya and send ya a sample. If ya like it, I'll get ya a yard and ship it off..,,, off the top of my head, a full yard an shipping'll be bout $10,that's alot of shootin.
The trouble is my .54 likes different than my .50 and that's different than the .45!,, I'll be lookin for the heavy stuff this tyme :grin:
Trouble with old bluejeans is ya gotta be fussy whar ya cut from. Knees wear different than the side,an the butt part can git mighty thin :-D.
makes darn good(free) cleaning patch an charcloth though.

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:01:09 AM »

Thanks :grin: for the offer Tacks

Here's where I'm at! I shoot a Traditions Shenandoah 1-66 with .490 Remington gold ball & .018 pillow ticker lubed with Lehigh Valley. It's dead-nuts at 25 -- 3" high at 50 -- dead nuts again at 75 (furthest I tried it) with 75 grains 777 FF.

I'm ticked pink with how it shoots but I notice that it's not hard to start it down the pipe or load it. 777 powder tears up my patches (common problem) so I'd like to experiment with a stronger cloth.

You can PM me whenever your ready... I'll send you a check... no problem. :lol:

dbm · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2003, 08:56:09 AM »

For Swiss powder loadings, have a look at the user guide published on www.black-powder.co.uk

David