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500 sw handi loads for cast bullets???
« on: April 22, 2009, 11:25:25 AM »
I was at a recent gunshow and acquired a new in the box 500sw handi rifle for 175 cash and was wondering what if any pet loads you all may have for it with say 385-405 grain cast lead bullets?????

any help would be appreciated.

I have not even bought the brass dies and projectiles yet.


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Re: 500 sw handi loads for cast bullets???
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 12:08:39 PM »
The best thing you can do is to first, send that rifle to me so I can reimburse you what you spent and then turn yourself over to the authorities 'cause you stole it at that price.  Just joking.

I like the 500 S&W and am looking for a Handi in my budget range, I currently load for and shoot a S&W Model 500 and I suspect the loads for the 8" barrel revolver will be similar to your Handi.

First, I found out right away you can't afford to feed the 500 with factory ammo, not at $54 a box of 20, unless your last name is Gates or Trump.  I have one box that came with the gun, everything else is reloads.

I bought once fired brass off Gunbroker at significantly less than new but Starlline and Hornady make new brass for this round.  CAUTION>  There was a change in the primer size early on in the 500 S&W from Large Pistol to Large Rifle.  ALL cases that use Large Rifle primers (and that is pretty much all of them with one exception I can't remember who) will be head stamped "500 S&W R".  If it doesn't have the "R" it is probably a large pistol primer.  I sorted my brass out upon purchase and the couple I found without the "R" I set aside so as not to get them mixed up.

So, moving on.  I bought bullets from Speer that I thought were too expensive, then I bought the Lee Mold C501-440-RF which is a double cavity 440 grain round flat nose bullet that works well for me in my revolver and I have heard other Handi owners recommend it.  I have also heard of people using a 501 diameter 350 grain black powder bullet but I have never used it.  My revolver leads significantly without gas checks on this bullet, a couple of non gas check rounds and I spend 45 minutes getting lead out.  With a Lee sizer (Midway, around 14 bucks) and a box of Hornady gas checks (around $50/1000) you can easily size and gas check your own bullets.  I have also bought 335 grain copper washed bullets from Midway (made by Rainier) and they worked well in actual shooting but you have to be cautious with loading them 'cause they are made for the 50 AE and do not have a cannelure so it's hard to get a good crimp on them.

If you don't cast your own bullets now its easy to start with this large caliber.  You can buy lead/tin/antimony mix on E-Bay but I find I am able to salvage spent bullets from the range and mix them in with wheelweights from where I buy my tires.  I can usually salvage 25 lbs of lead in 20 or 30 minutes at the range and then spend a couple of hours melting it and skimming the crud off it.

Loads ??  I typically use 14.6 grains of TiteGroup with a heavy roll crimp on the 440 grain and 13.0 grains of TiteGroup on the 335 grain bullets.  Obviously, these are my loadings and I bear no liability if you use them, etc., etc...  Those are not max loads but I find they work well for me and I am able to keep a 3-4" group at 100 yards out of a revolver so........

Bottom line, continue the investment with:
Carbide Dies, lee run around $25
Lee 501 Sizing Kit, around $15 with lube
Gas Checks, around $50/1000
Lee bullet mold, around $20
Brass, ?????

I calculate by casting and gas checking my own bullets I am able to reload this caliber for less than 10 cents a round if I diregard the cost of the tools and the brass.  Compare that to well over $3.00 a round for Factory ammo and you can see why I do it.

Hope this helps, give us a range report when you start shooting it !!!!

Dan R

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Re: 500 sw handi loads for cast bullets???
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 12:33:08 PM »
I have one also. I like it allot but it has been problematic at best. All jacketed loads so far have produced occasional unexplained flyer's. It wasn't until I started loading lead bullets that I began seeing good groups. I picked up this LEE mould and have cast and sized a couple hundred. But I'm yet to fire any. Ranger Ricks WFNGC 440Gr bullets have been great. The LEE bullet is quite similar so I expect similar results from it.

I am of the assumption that my 500 is best with moderate velocity lead bullet loads.

Good luck with yours,
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Re: 500 sw handi loads for cast bullets???
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 12:43:31 PM »
Yeah, I suspect that medium weight cast bullets and medium velocity will probably pan out best.

I see that you can get about 100 cast bullets and 100 pieces of brass and the lee dies all for about 126 bucks plus S&H from midwayusa and I have enough primers and poweder from my other reloading adventures at home.

It seems that most of the ammo reloading info i am finding on this intraweb thingy is all for 4 to 6 inch barreled revolvers and not 22 inch rifle barrels.....

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Re: 500 sw handi loads for cast bullets???
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 12:52:50 PM »
There are two articles on the 500 S&W Handi in the FAQs by John Taffin and Lane Pearce, Taffin's article has load data for several bullets. Handloads.com has Handi loads listed, Loadswap has one load for an Encore rifle.

Tim

http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=500%20SqqqW%20Magnum&Weight=All&type=rifle&Order=Powder&Source=

http://www.loadswap.com/display.php?action=view_load&table=Rifle_Data&bullet_weight=350&cartridge_id=375
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Re: 500 sw handi loads for cast bullets???
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 05:19:35 AM »
thanks for those two links.

looks like you can save a little money using titegroup, trail boss, or little gun for powders....seems to give the same velocity as twice as much of the 4227 powder.

after next payday am getting the dies, brass and projectiles.....

before the summer is over i hope to get a .44mag bbl and maybe even a 444 marlin bbl.

I am just addicted to short stubby carbines with big pipes.