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Offline burntmuch

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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2009, 03:02:04 PM »
Having a pittbull is like having a gun that will "go off" without pulling the trigger. Even if its just once & a while. or just once. Pitt bulls are killers. thats what they were bread for. If you shampoo it & put a pretty collar on it. its just  a clean pretty killer. Ive picked up too many kid & baby parts from pitt bull attacks to be convinced other wise. 
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2009, 10:27:02 AM »
When I was a kid I had a little mutt named Coalie. My Dad couldn't whip me around that dog. I remember my Dad trying to get me to come inside, talking real nice. I wouldn't come in until my mother got home. These day they call belting a pre schooler child abuse. I still think more of the dog than I did my dad.
I am thinking of getting an English Shepard to be my eyes & ears.
I do agree pits & Rotts have to be trained to be visous, but I would hate for one of the bratty neighbor kids to get badly bite for being stupid.
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2009, 01:12:50 PM »
My personal experience with the various "dangerous breeds" is limited and I've never owned any of them. I am not really a dog person and do not own one at all. I really don't even like dogs to be perfectly honest.

I will say tho that I've never yet seen a chow, pit bull Terrier, Rotweiler or doberman that I considered safe to be around for anyone other than their owner. If seen on my property running loose any and all of them will be killed and buried with no hesitation or remorse. I won't say no one owns one of them that they cannot control but I will say I've never yet seen one of any of those breeds that the owners could or did control.

The doberman is a very high strung dog and very excitable. Once long ago I quite litterally scared one to death. I gave it a heart attack I guess. It was preventing us from getting a washer and dryer belonging to me at an old house we used to use as a hunting camp. It had been rented out to some other folks and we went back to get my washer and dryer I had there when we used it as a hunting camp. The renters weren't there but their doberman was.

My friend who's wife owned the place wanted to wait to see if the renters would return but after an hour or so they had not so I told him to drive around back and let's get the washer and dryer. He asked me what about the doberman. I assured him I'd deal with it regardless of what was required.

I jumped out of the truck as it was on my side and with .357 Mag in hand began yelling at the top of my voice at the dog chasing it and yelling at the same time. That dog ran as fast as it could from me and when we left was seen leaning against the house on the far side shaking like a leaf in the wind. It was dead the next morning. I was fully prepared to shoot it had it been required tho.

I've found darn few bad ass dogs that will stand their ground against me when I make a full on attack as I did at the doberman. Most run and from that point on avoid me like the plague but then I think such animals can sense fear and hate and such and it's likely they understand just how much I hate and loathe them.

I am true dog person , but there are a few breeds I don't believe should be allowed to be in existence anymore.
and never around small children not even for a moment (supervised or unsupervised) as I believe they are just inbred ticking time bombs. 

Greybeard touched on two..
My Buddy is a cop .. he had owned a chow since Birth approx 9 years .. when he exited the house on the way to work one day his chow attacked him and took him over a wood pile trying to get at his throat and face .. My buddy pulled his service piece and shot his dog dead. Then proceeded to the hospital where he took 45-55 stitches to his cheek, forearm, shoulder, Severely torn ear, and mangled thumb. His dog had never shown aggression before  -  just his little internal alarm clock went off ...tic.. tic... tic... BOOM.

About a year later he was called on the scene where a Pit had ahold of a small neighborhood dog and would not let go.
after several minutes they were able to shove a stick in the mouth of the pit and release the little dog ..at which point
the pit immediatly tried to attack the little dogs would be rescuers? My buddy shot the pit dead on the spot.  Te owner of the dead pit swore his dog had never acted aggressively before Tic...tic...tic... BOOM

When a new neighbor moved into the neighborhood where I lived he came with a pit. The very first day I met him I told him point blank (but respectfully) , there are small children that play in this neighborhood and if I ever see the dog loose I will shoot him no questions asked. where he replied my dog is a good dog very well behaved. sure enough a few months later his well behaved pit got loose and attached 3 or 4 other neighborhood dogs before the owner could contain him  TIC...TIC...TIC...BOOM.

That evening I told him he was lucky no little kid was riding their bike when he got loose. and two he was lucky I wasn't home or I would have killed him dead. - 3 months later after he paid medical costs for bitten dogs , costs for animal control .. court costs, and who knows what other costs  etc.. he got rid of his well behaved Pit.
I say good riddance saved me the cost of a Bullet I know I would have had to use one day, cause in my opinion it is just a matter of time with Pits tic...tic..tic...BOOM.

I do not agree with last poster pits have to be trained to be vicious ,
They are born that way , it's in their Genes , training or no training it will eventually come out tic...tic..tic...BOOM.

The only good Pit is a dead pit period!!!! and no one will ever convince me otherwise. As for chows even before my buddy's incident. I would never own one if I had small children ..I don't trust them. 
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2009, 04:06:06 PM »
My son-in-law had a chow that I thought was very trustworthy and loyal.  I liked that dog.  I don't think all pit bulls, rottweilers, and dobermans are vicious, either. A lot of them are "good", lovable dogs. Trouble is, they are dogs and these breeds are capable of some severe damage if their wires get crossed.  I won't own one and would never want one around small children.  I've seen too much dog damage from other "milder" breeds, in addition to these breeds that are equipped for real damage.  My wife and I are dog lovers - and have smaller breeds - "yappers", friendly and lovable.  Still, when my grandkids were small I watched the situation like a hawk.  Dogs will be dogs and kids will be kids.
As far as protection goes, all I want is a yapper who yaps when something or somebody looks wrong.  My schnauzer let me know when my wife fell down last year.  He kept barking until I came and looked.  Good dog.
I feel much safer for my friends and family with guns in my home than a potentially vicious dog.  Dogs can get goofy and mean for unexplained reasons.  Guns cannot.
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2009, 04:50:54 PM »
Last I heard Dalmations bite more people than any other breed.
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2009, 05:23:37 PM »
yep ,
Dalmatians and cocker spaniels statistically bite more children. But comparatively although any dog bite is bad, a pit bull doesn't stop with just a nip or bite, they shake their prey , maul them, lock on and try to kill them. I have never heard of a dalmatian or a cocker latching on and not letting go or trying to crush your larynx .  Most Rotties I have met are pushovers and their reputation does not live up to their demeanor (Big babies) though I understand they can be territorial.  The only Dobe's I have encountered have been well trained are quite intelligent and take their jobs seriously. Dobes as family pets seem to have an inherent instinct to protect the human children of their family. I have never met an aggressive Dobe. A protective one ..yes...but not aggressive.   
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2009, 06:14:20 PM »
Here is what I found on human fatalities related to dog bites.  This is not bites, but fatalities. It is dated, but looks like the pit bulls and rottwielers are clearly at the top of the list.  This covers '79 to '98. 

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

I found different list of the "10 most dangerous" dogs - and yup, the Dalmation is on the list. 

http://www.petsdo.com/blog/top-ten-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2009, 06:22:44 PM »
I like a .17 Rem for pitbulls in a long gun, .44 special for close-in work.  

I like dogs, but I will never, EVER allow one to behave badly when I am present.  I've been over at people's houses before and plain old wore out my welcome because I would not allow their dog to jump on me, try to steal from my plate, growl, etc etc.  Used to be, if a dog took a liking to what I was eating, I'd haul off and kick 'em in the ass.  

Now I ask them nicely once to put the animal outside, and if that fails I simply leave.  A family dog should be at the bottom of the pecking order, and if they get the idea in their head that they are the pack leader, they need it beaten out of them, plain and simple.  A dog who thinks he's the alpha male is dangerous.  I do not allow any dog to be the pack leader when I'm around.

The good thing is that with most breeds, once you get their mind right and get them accustomed to their position in the pack (which is a nice way to say that you smack their nose if they get close to your dinner plate, and you beat the tar out of 'em if they show aggression to you) they are your best friend.  

I've got three very well behaved dogs, all but one of them rescued from the pound who came to me with behavior issues.  All three of them are mindful and loving companions.

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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2009, 06:38:19 PM »
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS PERSONAL CHOICE, IS IT NOT?
I AM GOING TO RIDE MY BIKE WITHOUT A HELMET!
I AM GOING TO DRIVE MY TRUCK WITHOUT WEARING A SEATBELT!
I AM GOING TO SIT IN MY TREESTAND WITHOUT A FULL BODY HARNESS!



Its funny how certain topics instantly polarize people- assault rifles, taxes, gov't bailouts, abortion, dangerous dogs. Everyone jumps on a wagon when it benefits them, but condemn everyone whose cause or choice isn't the same as theirs.

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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2009, 06:44:14 PM »
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS PERSONAL CHOICE, IS IT NOT?
I AM GOING TO RIDE MY BIKE WITHOUT A HELMET!
I AM GOING TO DRIVE MY TRUCK WITHOUT WEARING A SEATBELT!
I AM GOING TO SIT IN MY TREESTAND WITHOUT A FULL BODY HARNESS!



Its funny how certain topics instantly polarize people- assault rifles, taxes, gov't bailouts, abortion, dangerous dogs. Everyone jumps on a wagon when it benefits them, but condemn everyone whose cause or choice isn't the same as theirs.

Yep and I'm going to exercise my rite and kill every Pit that wanders onto my property off leash. That's my personal choice.
and I'm going to sleep just fine and not give it a second thought after. The breed shoud be exterminated. Nuff said. 
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2009, 07:07:00 PM »
kev beat me to it though I'd go with a .357.
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2009, 07:28:13 PM »
kev beat me to it though I'd go with a .357.


If you'd asked me a few weeks ago, .357 would have been my answer, but since then I've gotten my paws on one of those little charter bulldogs in .44 special, and I just flat-out LOVE that little thing.  I need to spend an afternoon with it on the work bench with some emery cloth, but the little sucker is a fine piece of weaponry and packs quite a punch.

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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2009, 01:42:18 AM »
Pits are a handful ,no doubt.  Part of the problem is very few Pit owners have the time, desire , or resources to to keep them properly exercised.  Pits are extremely high energy, and without enough exercise they tend to go a little bugshit.  I believe this has a lot to do with why they suddenly snap.  I also think many people are unable to read the warning signs of an attack, other than the obvious such as growling or barking.  Then again, some attacks are probably ambush hits.  And while a Pit may not attack more than any other breed, when they do it's devastating.  I do think though, that it's awfully hard to predict the actions of an entire breed based on a few individuals.  Part ofthe reason we hear about so many Pit attacks is due to the sensationalist media, and the other part is due to the fact that there's so many Pits out there.
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2009, 02:15:05 AM »
Mirage 1988
You can do whatever you wish, I agree.
You must accept responsibility for whatever you wish.
In a society with no boundries, If your dog got after my child, I would assume that you condoned it and would not look to the dog as a first choice of death, but you. Could you handle that. You should just nod in the affirimative, and accept the responsibility without whimper.
That is all I have heard from you, whimpering, because others disagree and you don't like to be told what to do. It is the great symptom of this world---ME.
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2009, 03:58:36 AM »
My daughter had a pit that was 100% peaceful its entire life, died of old age recently. This was a very large white and brown male. It was by far the biggest pit I have ever seen. It would stare at you, eye to eye, with out blinking, very intimidating. My wife and I would keep the dog when my daughter was on vacation. Walking this giant pit through the neighborhood caused some interesting reactions from people. Some people moved to the other side of the street when they seen this dog coming. Some people happened upon us suddenly and were obviously frozen with fear. I would play "tug of war" with and old rug and this dog. The true definition of brute strength, I could barley hold my own. If this dog "snapped", and I was unarmed, I would be a dead man. Also, I do not like the fear this animal instills in ordinary people. I would never own one. Some of the local "gansta's" own pits just for the intimidation factor and walk around the neighborhood trying to look threatening. I keep a gun handy when working in my garage and yard. :o

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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2009, 11:38:41 AM »
We had a Miniature Schnauzer when my son was born.  We had owned the dog for about five years, and it was very friendly and lovable.  It loved to cuddle up next to someone, or on their lap.  He always slept at the foot of our bed.  One day I came home from work early and the wife was in the shower.  When I entered the bathroom my wife screamed, the dog came in growling.  From that point on any time the wife got into the shower the dog would post himself at the top of the stairs and not let anyone come up the stairs with out him giving her warning.

When our son saw born, Michelle came out of the bedroom holding the baby.  The dog stood up on his hind legs to see the baby.  The dog walked forward like he wanted to sniff the baby.  Suddenly he snapped at the babies head.  The wife kicked him so hard he sailed out over the stairs and landed on the landing near the bottom of the stairs.  Even this little cuddly pet was never trusted after that near the baby.
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Re: Guns & pit bulls
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2009, 12:25:07 PM »
My dog that died on my birthday last year was a Chow-Shepard cross. Off the property at PetSmart or a JFL games she loved every body, but on her turff. She took no crap! Then my wife adopeted this little mutt that some one dumped in front of our propert. She became very protective of hime & would not let another dog near him.
She was sure nice to have around when I would go out to feed in the dark.