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Offline ButlerFord45

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Hornady Manual Question
« on: May 02, 2009, 07:52:30 AM »
Does the Hornady manual have any listing for the .357 Maximum, 180gr XTP and Lil' Gun?
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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2009, 08:01:31 AM »
No Lil' Gun!
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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2009, 08:03:30 AM »
Thanks.  I'll give them a call Monday.  It would seem to be right in the prime burn rate.
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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2009, 08:13:49 AM »
Sixth Edition has it.

The Load Data has been removed until I can get a confirmation from Hornady.

Bill

Data from Ruger Super Blackhawk 10.5" barrel. 1 in 14" twist


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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 08:17:55 AM »
Quote from: OR-E-Gun Bill on May 02, 2009, 08:13:49 AM
Sixth Edition has it.

The load data has been removed until I can get a confirmation from Hornady

Data from Ruger Super Blackhawk 10.5" barrel. 1 in 14" twist


Bill


Thanks Bill.  Just to double check,  more than double the charge to get 200 fps from min to max???
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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2009, 08:22:08 AM »
Yes, as I'm reading it out of the book:

The load data has been removed until I can get a confirmation from Hornady

Bill

Edit: The 6th edition also has load data for the .357 Maximum for T/C with LIL' GUN
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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2009, 08:23:07 AM »
Alrighty!  Thanks a heap!
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DATA ERROR DANGER!
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2009, 04:46:41 AM »
Guys, what OR-E-Gun posted is accurate, but it cannot be correct.  In the same manual for the .357 Maxi in the T/C they list this data for the 180 XTP and Lil'Gun:

16.7 @ 1450
17.7 @ 1500
18.6 @ 1550
19.6 @ 1600
20.6 @ 1650
21.6 @ 1700

That's less than 4 grains of powder for a 200 fps gain in velocity - not over 11 grains as in the revolver data.  The data for the revolver simply does not make sense!  I suspect that trying to shoot 11 grains of Lil'Gun may result in a stuck bullet.  Beware!



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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2009, 06:53:30 AM »
Update:

Just got a reply from Hornady via email - tech@hornady.com

My question to them:
Looking at the Hornady 6th Edition Reloading Manual I have a question
concerning the load data for the .357 Remington Maximum using 180 gr.
HP-XTP and the LIL' Gun Powder.
The starting load listed is 10.4 gr.--Max. 22 gr.
Is that correct? I have been told that there might be a mistake in the manual,
but just wanted to check with Hornady to verify before loading.

Their reply:
William, No, the data is correct. Thanks for checking though.

If ButlerFord45 finds the information acceptable, I will let him repost the data.

Bill
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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 01:27:28 AM »
I'm glad you checked, that was the right thing to do.  But I certainly don't trust the data.  Caveat emptor.




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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 04:26:08 AM »
"But I certainly don't trust the data."
That's one reason I did not repost the load data. I'm sure your experience with LIL' GUN is far greater than mine and unless someone can say for a fact that the load data, as shown in the Hornady Manual, does indeed work well, I will not repost it.
Even though the Hornady tech stated the data was correct, and there is anyone on this forum who has a doubt about it's safety, the data won't be displayed by me.

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Re: Hornady Manual Question
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 02:18:03 PM »
I think I may start around 15 gr and go both ways across the chronograph.  Providing, of course that the weather cooperates!  I'll let you know how it goes.

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