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Offline okieshooter

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blued vs. stainless
« on: July 15, 2008, 10:18:48 AM »
In a 209x50 is it worth the extra to buy stainless over blued for easier cleaning or any reason other than looks??? forgive my ignorance I just do not want to waste money for no advantages.
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 10:28:19 AM »
I don't think there's an advantage, it's just personal preference. I have a stainless 209x50 only because I sit in a lot of bad weather and it gives me piece of mind. It is no better really but in my mind it is a tool and to me the stainless with a laminated stock is more weather resistant, again in my mind.

Personally for looks you can't beat blue and walnut.
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 11:17:32 AM »
In a muzzleloader, the only material advantage to a stainless barrel in my experience is that it's easier to tell if it's clean than a blued one is. 

I've never had any rust problems with blue finishes or stainless finishes.  And stainless will absolutely rust if you don't protect it.  But that comes to the treatment of the metal.  I don't "oil" my barrels on the exterior at all.  I use Outer's Sheath protectant or I use a good automotive car wax and give the gun a couple of light coats.  Sheath passed a 7 day saltwater spray test, that's good enough for me.  I hunt in the rain, storms, downpours, and snow storms with nary a problem.  There are other products that are offer similar protection.  I'll tell you that the Rusty Duck protectants SUCK, don't waste your money on it. 

I prefer a matte blue or black finish for looks.  Teflon, parkerizing, expoxy, etc.  Stainless does look good with laminates.  In my mind, I think that a stainless finish is probably easier for animals to see if you are moving around, but if the animal is close enough to see it, then I should be watching it through the scope!  The only stainless gun I have right now is a new Omega, and it's only stainless for the reason in the first line above.  All other guns I have are either blued or parkerized.  There's a reason that gun's have been blued for the last couple of hundred years:  it's economical to do and it WORKS. 

I actually had a gunsmith talk me out of having a new Encore and couple of barrels parkerized.  When he asked me why, I told him that I wanted something that offers more than "just the blue".  He told me to save my money, use a treatment on the blue, buy another barrel or scope with the money, and when the finish on the gun is worn enough, to call his number and maybe his grand kids will be running the shop and they'll refinish it for me.   8)  That was enough to convince me that blued is fine.

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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 03:09:56 AM »
I would not have a muzzle loader barrel in anything but stainless.  Ya'll say whatever you like, stainless is more resistant to rust.  If you're hunting in fairly dry weather, it doesn't matter.  If you add rain to the mix, a stainless receiver and barrel with a composite stock will better resist the elements.

And yes, I know stainless can rust and needs to be protected as well.

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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 03:32:15 AM »
I have the blued Encore, but its really your choice.  I don't have any problems with rust with any of my muzzleloaders even with real blackpowder.

I have seen badly rusted blued and stainless muzzleloaders before and I talked to one of the owners and he said the stainless gave him a false positive after he saw his badly rusted pitted barrel.

If you discipline yourself and clean your firearms thoroughly after each and every use then you will never have a problem with rust.

The stainless steel price isn't worth it to me since the blued barrel will give you everything you need.

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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 02:44:03 AM »
I've finally encountered someone who says they've seen a stainless barrel rust.  In all my years, I've never seen one rust nor have I encountered someone who actually had.  I thought it was an old wives tale.
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 01:44:43 PM »
The real "old wives tale" is referring to it as Stainless Steel.  It's proper name is Corrosion "Resistant" Steel.

And yes, it will rust - just fail to maintain it or get it near salt water.     Jim
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2009, 02:25:36 PM »
It does just what the word says it stains  less.  They will rust and pit .
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2009, 02:42:06 PM »
The guns I hunt with are getting to be all stainless.  It is so often wet here during hunting season, and at times rust already started on blued steel before I got home to clean.  To each their own.
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2009, 04:03:47 PM »
The real "old wives tale" is referring to it as Stainless Steel.  It's proper name is Corrosion "Resistant" Steel.

And yes, it will rust - just fail to maintain it or get it near salt water.     Jim

I've heard that many times, I've just never seen it or met anyone who actually has.
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 11:30:43 AM »
Where I live, noone dares buy a blued rifle.  Every blued one here has rust.  I have seen some pretty nasty looking stainless ones also.  I think we have precipitation for 250 or more days in the year and saltwater spray.  Kodiak, AK is considered a rainforest and all my guns are stainless.

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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 05:41:42 PM »
I had a brand new stainless encore rust OVERNIGHT! My wife had a cold and turned on the humidifier one night while my encore was sitting up in the corner of the room.Imagine my suprise when it was covered in rust the next morning!!It was just surface rust of course and came right off but if you think something wont rust,just put it in the room with a humidifier. :o
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 03:15:33 AM »
You don't need salt water to get stainless to rust.  Just store it in a house in NE Oklahoma with no central air and ignore it for a few months.  Learned that one from experience.

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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 06:08:30 AM »
Mine is blued and I have never had a problem with rust. I hunt in some pretty nasty stuff every year. You just have to take care of it and wipe it down after you get home. TC seems to have a nice finish to them, I have other guns that are blued where you can practically watch the rust form :o

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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 01:02:23 PM »
Just had to chime in on this one...
Lots of different compositions of stainless, designed for different purposes, ease of machining and welding, hardness, corrosion resistance and pricepoints.  I have 3 stainless rifles, 2 T/Cs and a Tikka.  One of the T/C's is strongly magnetic, the other one and Tikka are not.  ??? All 3 have had some rust show up on them in hidden spots at one time or another, the old T/C Firehawk was a mess on the exterior once.  The beauty of stainless in my opinion is that you can rub out rust spotting with a scotchbrite pad to a near perfect matt finish or go as far as you want polishing it and when it looks good to you - you're done.  Chromemoly steel is harder than most SS and when polished and blued is actually more corrosion resistant than the SS commonly used in guns.  My experience is that blued rifles tend to have better steel than stainless.  One other thing to consider is galvanic corrosion.  This is a problem when 2 dissimilar metals are in contact, like scope mounts, screwed on lugs and stuff like that.  Just leaning a rifle barrel on a conductive metal can make a mess if conditions are right. If you want to create an art project out of a gun barrel, lean it against a copper pipe in your basement for a while.  Think of the trailer hitch on your car and the sacrificial metal anode on boat motors and buried propane tanks.  Protection is the key, I too like wax to protect all my firearms because it seems more durable to handling than oil.
 

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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2009, 11:08:35 AM »
I have four encores, two blue and two stainless,,,,I guess I got tired of changing barrels.  I like both blue and stainless.  Since I clean my guns after hunting, I never have had a problem with rusting and staining.  I do not hunt near saltwater.  On another note, I think I remember from another posting last year that stainless barrels take longer to break in.  Again, I have no opinions on that.  My two new barrels were a stainless 300 whisper that is the most accurate barrel I own and started out that way.  The other stainless was a new 50 caliber endeavor that also shot true out the box.  My 308 and 243 are blue and I bought them used.  Both shoot straight.
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Re: blued vs. stainless
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2009, 02:21:44 PM »
ive got a blued knight wolverine. if i dont grease up the inside of the bbl real good before i put it away it will take me hours to get the rust cleanerd out.