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Offline Mikey

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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2008, 02:54:31 PM »
cabin4:  ya'll said - .430 revolver bullets vs. .458 rifle bullets?  The 444 starts with the standard weights in 240 and 265 then goes to 300, 325, 330, 355 and 405; you can shoot revolver bullets through it if you want but I prefer the heavier 'rifle' bullets.

No, a .430 is not a .458, but doesn't need to be.  You also said "....bullet weight. .458 will top off much higher then the 430" - that should be expected.

And what else--- oh yeah "Nothing wrong with the 444, its just not a match to the 45-70".  The only match for a 45-70 is another 45-70.  The 444 doesn't need to 'match' it, it does the job just fine all by itself.  Nobody out there is trying to make a 45-70 out of a 444 - if they wanted that they would simply buy a 45-70.  Some handload to improve the ability of the 45-70 on large or dangerous game, same with the 444. 

There are three different power/pressure levels for the 45-70.  The original loading for the Trapdoors, then the next level up for lever actions, and finally the near nuclear capability of the loadings for the bolt actions and single shots.  It seems that the 45-70 has gone through a couple of 'evolutions' to make it more effective.........

There is only one power level for the 444 - no matter what bullet weight you shoot in the 444 you do not exceed the factory pressure levels for the rifles involved - not so with the 45-70, so which one is trying to match the other (rhetorical, not requiring an answer).  Mikey. 

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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2008, 11:53:46 AM »
45-70  ;D
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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2008, 05:23:26 PM »
45-70.  I have three,(BC, Shikari, & Pardner). ;D
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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2008, 06:31:36 PM »
Well.... it sounds like ....ya'll said..... loud and clear..... 45-70.

Put that 444 down were it belongs and pickem up that 45-70.

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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2008, 01:20:41 AM »
Thanks, but I'll stick with my Triple 4s - no worry about which rifle I have to shoot which loads in. 

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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2008, 03:14:36 PM »
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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2009, 08:18:19 AM »
Ordered my 1895 GS in 45-70 today. 45-70 is a no brainer. Love all of them. Didn,t have to spend more on dies, brass and conversions.
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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2009, 09:59:19 AM »
Ordered my 1895 GS in 45-70 today. 45-70 is a no brainer. Love all of them. Didn,t have to spend more on dies, brass and conversions.

And for the same price of the gun, you'll get a real big game killer that is proven and admired by real professional guides.
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Re: 45-70 or 450 Marlin
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2009, 06:02:58 PM »
I have owned all three guns and they each have their merits but I love my 450 because it is the most accurate lever rifle I have ever owned. I also reload for it and have a ton of factory ammo. I like the ballard rifling better than the micro grove guns. By the way, those of you who put the 444 down and spout off at the mouth about how great the ole antique round is should get a 416 R ;Digby if you want a real big bore.