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Offline rickt300

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1st Amendment rights
« on: May 22, 2009, 04:53:04 AM »
The first Amendment is a bit more than the freedom of speech it also includes ; the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.  What exactly does this mean and is there some special way to do it?
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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2009, 04:58:48 AM »
As a practical matter, you file suit, and then it stays tied up in court until you run out of money and give up.
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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 05:07:05 AM »
I think it's called lobbying.
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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 05:11:03 AM »
Kind of like the discussion on our second amendment rights being a right or a responsibility.  I think that the 1st amendment right to petition the government for a redress of grievances should be our duty as an American citizen.

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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2009, 05:14:05 AM »
Rick,

It appears that every branch - Executive, legislative, and judicial has means to which a petition for redress of grievances can be undertaken.

Unfortunately, that means that it would be burdened by their respective red-tape.

I'll try to track down something concrete for you, unless someone else gives a good procedural study before then.

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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2009, 06:54:14 PM »
This being a Republic, which is a democracy with a consititution, it would seem petition might be exactly what that means.  Get a lot of people to sign a petition under a letter of some sort.  I really don't believe the founding fathers felt everything had to be done with a lawyer.
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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2009, 12:44:36 AM »
I suspect not, but once your petition is signed, what do you do with it?

The founding fathers probably didn't expect a lawyer always get involved, but there are a lot of things going on they didn't expect.

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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2009, 02:49:00 AM »
 "alot of things going on they didn't expect "
I don't believe such an under statement has ever been expressed before in the history of the world . And its true !
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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2009, 04:48:41 AM »
Lawyers are the biggest problem in this mess along with worthless judges.
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Re: 1st Amendment rights
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2009, 04:02:45 AM »
I suspect it's what several states are doing in regard to the federal government stepping all over the 9th and 10th amendment.

IMO, until the 17th amendment is repealed the state will remain unrepresented and continue to lose 9th and 10th rights.

Until the 17th amendment the states appointed 2 senators.  The House of Representatives was, and does, represent the interest of the people.

The Senate, appointed by state legislatures, represent the interest of the state.

Presently, with the Senate elected by the people, the interest of the state is not represented.

Now, with no representation, the federal government can mandate all sorts of things on the state.

Key to correcting our political situation is two fold IMO.

First, lobbyist, and second, representation for the state.

The 17 amendment was passed in 1911, but was really an effect of the war of northern aggression, 1860-1865.


Text of the 17th amendment:

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

Here is how the Federalist Paper, no.62, regarded the purpose of the senate:

Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the Senate is, the additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then, of a majority of the States. It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may in some instances be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defense which it involves in favor of the smaller States, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other States, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger. But as the larger States will always be able, by their power over the supplies, to defeat unreasonable exertions of this prerogative of the lesser States, and as the faculty and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which our governments are most liable, it is not impossible that this part of the Constitution may be more convenient in practice than it appears to many in contemplation.
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