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Softest soft points
« on: June 04, 2009, 03:35:33 AM »
My Savage 340C has a slow barrel. My velocities are generally 50 to 150 fps slower than the same load was in my Marlin 336 ( 22 and 20 inch tubes respectively).
 I am a firm believer in the " power dump". The faster a bullet transfers its available energy to the critter, the faster said critter is table fare.
  The highest velocity I've been able to coax out of her so far  with 150's is 2250, and 2000 with 170's. She is not fussy at all when it comes to bullet selection as she has been equally accurate with everything I've fed her.
   So, of the following  bullets; Speer 150,Sierra 150, Rem 150 Corelokt and Hornady 150' what would you say is the best expander?Ditto for 170's.The bullets mentioned are the ones designed for the 30-30's velocity range.I've no interest in spitzers.
    She's  fast handling and superbly accurate I just want the best expander for the available velocities. My T/C Black Diamond XR .50 cal is amazingly accurate with big bore magnum handgun level loads.I use some fairly lightly constructed bullets in her and the amount of bang flops and short trails is gratifing . I'm hoping a good soft bullet in the 30-30 will give me similar results.Thanks! 
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2009, 04:16:58 AM »
Of the bullets you have listed, the Remington will probably fill the bill for ya nicely. They expand well and stay together. Not that it's a bad thing, but recently my Sierras seem to have been coming apart and heading in different directions upon impact. These were ProHunters in 30 cal(150gr) and 6mm(100gr). I've not lost an animal because of it ,but figured I needed to mention it.



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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2009, 04:19:16 AM »
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2009, 04:29:53 AM »
"The bullets mentioned are the ones designed for the 30-30's velocity range."

You are thinking right.  The Rems would be my choice, no question about that.

Hollow points are not normally the fastest expanders. In fact, excepth fo varmint bullets with very thin jackets some HPs hardly expand at all if impact speeds are low.  What helps expansion most is the cross-sectional area of the exposed lead core and round nose projectiles almost always win in that.
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2009, 05:22:44 AM »
I got a bag of Rem 150 gr Core-Lokt SP here  with the No 22774 CX on it. The bag is marked for 30-30. At first glance the bullet appears to be a semi spitzer but they have a flat point at the very tip. The bullet has a large exposed lead point.

I am considering them for a much reduced 30-06 load.
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2009, 02:48:43 AM »
Thanks all. Kinda figured the Remmys would be the way to go.Those Corelokts just look like a 30-30 bullet should and my Savage is the only rifle I've had that shoots them well.
  I've seen some old 30-30 rounds where 1/2 the nose of the bullet was exposed lead.I know that today's technology has made that unnecessary, but for the sake of tradition I'd like to see that design come back.The Corelokts are about as close as you can get... 
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2009, 07:39:14 AM »
The manufactures have had a lot of experience with the 30-30.  I have to agree the Remington C-L is a favorite.  Far more exposed lead then in my Hornady reloads.  I have seen the Remington C-L give good penetration and expansion on Mule deer in the 30-30 and 30 Remington.  I have a few boxes of WW PowerPoint’s for the 30-30.  It offers the second largest exposed lead point next to Remington.  In addition it has notches in the jacket to enhance expansion.   The Power Point has a very flat point and should transfer shock very good.  It looks like a dum-dum bullet.  Both bullets should work at lower velocities.

The Federal 30-30 bullet seems to have changed in the last few years.  I just check some factory loads that are about 40-years old, and some I purchase two or three years ago.  The profile appears about the same with less exposed lead then the C-L and WWPP, but more than the Hornady 150-grain round nose.  I compared the old bullets with the current ones and it appears the older bullets were not notched at the junction of the jacket and exposed lead.  The new 150-grain bullets appear to have a large number of notches. 

The largest buck I have seen killed with the .30 Remington weighed 196 pounds on the market scales after being gutted and the lungs removed.  Using the old rule of thumb the live weight had to be around 274-pounds.  I can recall helping out with the buck and viewing the recovered C-L bullets.  The hunter had rapidly fired three or four rounds at the buck.  All of them had entered behind the shoulder on one side and were recovered in the shoulder on the off side.  All presented a classic mushroom.  The old Remington pump could move lead rather rapidly.

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2009, 07:50:34 AM »
Try to find some of the old Hornady 130 grain SS pistol bullets they work great.
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 12:17:12 AM »
probalby not a better bullet made for the 3030 then the 150 corelock
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2009, 01:13:44 AM »
Except the 170 grain Remington Core-Lokt.
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2009, 02:12:45 AM »
Siskiyou! I saw you use the 30 remington do you still have and use  it. I have a model 14 that I want to hunt with (sentimental value DAD"S First Modern Rifle as he said). Do you reload for it. I was thinking of the speer 130 grain . I have hornady and remington 150 but want to try a lighter bullet for our small Louisiana deer. Do you have any data. Use a lot of ImR 3031 and Imr 4895 . Any in put will be appreciated.
 
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2009, 05:09:14 AM »
Zacharoo:   I did not kill that buck.  The successful hunter was a neighbor in the little cowtown I was raised in.  He was my Dad’s age or a little older.  He normally did not go out on opening weekend of season.  He would take off during the week and his wife would run their business.

Every since I was a little guy I recognized that he was a successful hunter, and he had a lot of tall Mule deer racks.  I believe his rifle was a Model 141.  He knew what he was doing when it came to buck hunting.  His hunting partner was a little beagle hound.  He hunted the nasty, rocky volcanic cones located North of Mt. Shasta.  This country was beat to death by other hunters, but he would get out with his dog in the thick Mt. Mahogany, and Manzanita and kick bucks out of their beds.  Most hunters would walk around the cones because of the big boulders, and thick brush.  This is unlike the wide open Western Mule deer hunting that many visualize.

The Model 14/141 was the right rifle for this type of hunting, fast sight acquisition, and fast follow up shots. 

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Broken legs and ankles are common fact of hunting these cones, and lava flows.  I know of one hunter who broke an ankle two seasons in a role out there.

I was very interested in his rifle because of his success.  I rather doubt it was ever fed reloads.  Most of the bluing was worn off it, from a lot of carrying.  Otherwise it was in good shape.

There was another old pump rifle belonging to an elder cowboy who rode the range in Southern Idaho, and worked ranches in California.  He would set out in front of the store and I would spend time listening to his tails.  His pump was a .35 Remington and because of its age I believe it was a Model 14.  He did not drive, and would spend his days setting around sleeping or visiting.  He loved to talk about deer hunting, but could not get out any more; He no longer owned a horse.  I convinced my father to take him on a hunting trip.  They camped on the middle slopes of Mt. Shasta, in below freezing weather.  They did not get a deer, but enjoyed the hunt.  I believe that was his last hunt.
 
Sometime after that I walked up to him on the bench he snoozed on.  I knew that something was not right, he did not respond.  He had passed away.  Days later a friend of his showed up at our house with his Winchester 97, 12-guage.  He had left it to me.
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Re: Softest soft points
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2009, 11:06:55 AM »
Hornady  and the other two are covering a larger velocity range with their 150 gr RN's then Remington which has tailored their SP's to 30 30 Win velocities.
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