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« on: September 16, 2003, 08:22:25 PM »
I will be stepping up from a Remington model 788 in .243 (great gun! Little too light on our deer) after this season to a .25 caliber.  The question is: What caliber, for those of you who know by fact, would you suggest I look into for in a .25 caliber (I am dead set on a .25, so please advise only on this caliber). I need a caliber that has a good variety of loads which can be acquired easily, escpecially from local type stores. The suggested .25 caliber must also be a great gun on large deer. Thanks to all for any advice!

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2003, 08:50:46 PM »
The only 25's that really fill your criteria are the 25-06, the 257 Weatherby and the venerable 257 Roberts.  The roberts is the lightest but is an excellant deer round as long as we stay under 300 yards.  It's basically a better 243..  The 257 Weatherby is quite a costly situation.  The ammo is available via the mail so the only availability problem might be the rifle.  They are also fairly expensive.  The 25-06 is available from most manufacturers and ammo is also nearly universally available.  It has very nearly the power of the Weatherby round but it a more affordable package.  For large deer only the heavier bullet weights(117-120) should be considered and I strongly suggest the use of premium controlled expansion bullets..  If you are truly after large deer at substancial ranges I would advise a look at the 7mm RemMag.  There's a reason it's one of the most popular rounds available.  As always the main ingrediant to success is putting the bullet in the right spot..
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2003, 03:45:24 AM »
I would have to agree with Gunnut .... the 25-06 is the way to go in a .25" bore for large deer.  I would recommend trying Federal Premium ammo loaded with 115gr Nosler Partitions.  These loads typically shoot great  (have never had a 25-06, though) and the Partition will ensure complete penetration on your large deer.

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2003, 03:49:22 AM »
Huntrap, I have a 25-06 and it will give you a little something extra that the .243 doesn't(taking nothing away from the .243) It probably is the most economical and practical way to go if you are set on the 25 calibers. I only shoot the 115-120 grain bullets in mine for the whitetails here in Michigan, and have been very happy with it. The Nosler Ballistic Tips are the only bullets I've had problems with. Let us know what you get and good luck.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2003, 03:58:25 AM »
Another vote for the 25.06!!  I have used the 115grn partitions with good results but have also used the Hornady 117 btsp and the Speer 120sptz with equal results.  I don't think anyone loads the Speer in a factory load so i would look at the Federal 115gr partiton or the Hornady 117grn if your using factory ammo.

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2003, 04:21:33 AM »
25-06, If your buying factory ammo it's the most available and least expensive. I use the barnes X 100gr's in my 257 Roberts Improved but can't say I've ever shot a large deer with one (but I would). Otherwise if your rifle will stabilize them shoot the heavier end bullets. The occassional 25-06 is set up for varmiting and may have to slow a twist.

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2003, 04:33:33 AM »
Huntrap_mt : Me too cant go wrong with the 25-06 good caliber and can be gotten in a variety of quality rifles, good luck. :D    JIM

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2003, 12:34:04 PM »
Huntrap_MT,

I love the Quarter Bore calibers and collect them when I can.  Out of all of the ones that are factory available today the only one that fits what you stated you wanted is the .25-06.  Granted the .257 Roberts is a great cartridge and I love mine, I have had some problems getting factory ammo in some out of the way places.  And sometimes when I could get ammo the ones they had were not what I would call large deer loads, 87 grain bullets for example.  At this date and time the most popular .257 caliber is the .25-06.  You can get loads to handle everything from varmints to the largest deer walking.  The .257 Weatherby is a great cartridge, the late Roy Weatherby favorite and a favorite of mine, but it is way over kill on varmints.  Ammo can be hard to find and is expensive.  I would go with the .25-06 if I were you and not look back.  Lawdog
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2003, 06:22:56 PM »
Another vote for the .25-06 Rem... I love mine, and haven't found a better whitetail or mule deer round.

One thing about ammo though.  You are better off reloading your own, as if you live in a remote area, most stores (including WalMart) are not likely to carry it.  Also, look at the 117 gr. Sierra or the 115gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip and Partition.  The Sierra is a great practice round or hunting round, and has decent terminal performance, and is cheaper than the Nosler.

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2003, 06:31:12 PM »
So far, all of you have really given me great advice on a new gun!  That 25.06 is the gun I have been concidering for the last three years, but I have never shot one nor have I heard of all that much from "owners" about it either.  That 25.06 has always interested me when I read about it, but I have actually heard alot more from folks on the .257.  However, I like the figures on the 25.06 and all of your guys advice sure builds on that!  Thanks for the suggestions so far.

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2003, 07:37:36 PM »
Out of the 25's suitable for good deer hunting it goes like this -

257 Roberts will launch a bullet 200 FPS slower than the 25-06 and the 25-06 is about 50 FPS slower than the 257 Weatherby.

Ok, for me the extra 200 - 250 fps isn't a real point of contention but the availability of ammo is. The 25-06 would be my first choice on that count. The 257 Roberts is a great cartridge and I am building a rifle on it right now. It is not over bore to the extent that the 25-06 is and is more efficient but I chose it for it's history of supreme accuracy which is even more important to me than availability of ammo - but then I reload. The Weatherby is completely out of the equation as far as I am concerned because of the freebore built into their weapons and the loss of accuracy that it causes. Without the freebore you lose the velocity increase and you are back to choosing the 25 -06 on the velocity. Is the 25 - 06 as accurate as the 257 Roberts? I know it can be but the Roberts is more often mentioned when accuracy is brought up in the talk. I have my reasons for choosing the caliber I did and you have to choose what is important to you in order to pick the one that is right for you.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2003, 03:24:32 AM »
Huntrap,

I wanted to wait and let some other folks give their input before I made this anecdotal comment. It looks as though the .25-06 is the hands-down best recommendation for your .25 caliber deer rifle. But before you go out and get one, I just wanted to respond in light of something you posted earlier about your .30-06 (why you don't prefer to shoot it). I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other, but I thought you might want to look at some basic facts before you go to the expense of acquiring a new gun.

The .25-06 is basically a .30-06 case necked down to receive a .25 caliber bullet. The case volume of the .25-06 is nearly identical to the .30-06. The only difference then becomes what bullet you are pushing out the barrel. While the .25 bullet wins out in ballistic coefficient over the .308 (.30 cal) bullet, you can get factory loads in .30-06 with a 125 grain bullet, very close in weight to what you will be using in the .25-06 (117 or 120 grain). The factory loads .30-06 in 125 grain have listed velocities that average about 150 fps faster than the .25-06. That is not a huge difference in powder charge and pressure between the two calibers. The trajectory of the 125 grain .30-06 loads is almost identical to the .25-06 120 grain loads.

In an earlier post, you mentioned not liking the .30-06 for deer:

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I prefer to stay with a lighter caliber rather than anything at .30 caliber or larger, because the lighter calibers are easier on the ears, allow you to keep your steady all the way through the shot, and the flatness is outstanding!


My point here is that: 1) Lighter bullet weight loads (especially on the order of 17% lighter, as from 150gr to 125gr) can drastically reduce the recoil and some of the blast of heavier bullet weight loads, and 2) The blast noise and recoil associated with the .25-06 in 120 grain loads will probably be a great deal similar to the .30-06 in 125 grain loads.

So, if you are shying away from the noise and recoil factor of the .30-06, you might want to first try a box of 125 grain loads on the range and see how they feel. For the cost of a box of ammo, you may decide you like them and don't need to get a new caliber rifle. Conversely, you may discover that you still don't like the noise and recoil, in which case you might want to test-shoot someone else's .25-06 in 120 loads before committing to this caliber, as it will be similar in noise and recoil to the .30-06 125gr loads.

Just MHO, but perhaps the cost of one box of .30-06 125 grain ammo might save a lot of time and expense down the road. In any case you will learn the "lighter side" limits of the .30-06 before dismissing it as too noisy and blast-heavy. Whatever you decide, I wish you luck with your new tactics and on your hunt this year with your trusty .243.  :grin:
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2003, 07:40:30 AM »
PaulS, If I do not pain you, could you describe Weatherby's "freebore" system and how it causes lost accuracy?  Thanks for the great advice also.  :grin:

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2003, 08:12:42 AM »
huntsman, I "did" realize that the 25.06 was closely a 30.06 necked down, however that was as far as I thought on that subject.  You may have brought pictures to my blind eyes here!  I think that trying my 30.06 with the 125s will at least tell the tale of this setup and if I can find someone's 25.06 out of the few scattered souls out here, I can put up a very important test.  With the 30.06, I could also add much needed "Shock value" that I figure would be an asset on our iron bucks.  Like I mentioned in another post on GBO, a major problem for me is that mature bucks are amlost always running away from you in these open lands, and even if you place your shot around the edges of it's engine compartment with a 100 gr bullet, a buck up here will tend to clot up enough to travel a long ways, on account of a narrow bleeder hole.  If you hit the buck right next to perfect, than his future is well wrote, but if you happen to only clip part of the lungs or other vitals, then the future on these guys are a little less uncertian sometimes and the "sometimes" are the times I hate!  So with shock given by the 30.06 alone, is worth many "bucks" to me.  When I make it to town agian I will get me some 125s and setup targets, and all the while keep an open mind on things.  Someone out here is bound to have a 25.06 I can try, you would think.

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2003, 09:46:41 AM »
Huntrap_MT,

I have tried 125 gr. loads in my .30-06 for deer and they don't work on larger animals.  I tried them a number of years ago while hunting Mule deer with my now ex brother in-law that lived outside of Missoula.  These were standard Rem. factory loads and the bullets all broke up when hitting any kind of bone.  Out of three deer shot with these bullets ALL required finishing shots, two of them required four shots.  In my opinion the 125 gr. bullets work fine on smaller animals up to 125 lbs. but should not be used on anything much larger.  I took what was left of the 125 gr. loads back to Ca. after visiting with my sister and tried them on the little Blacktails out there and it was about the same story.  I just checked my ammo locker and I still have 12 cartridges out of the four boxes we bought.  The lightest weight bullet I would recommend for deer up there is 150 gr..  Lawdog
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2003, 12:48:27 PM »
First of all, an observation, you're a handloader apparently, or I may be mistaken, so why don't you put 100gr. Nosler Partition bullets in that .243 and go to town?  I have killed many large mule deer and large whitetails, all the South Dakota variety with the .243, and they are quite large bodied animals, although probably not quite as large as your Montana mulies.  The .243 performed very well for me with partitions, anything less is not a deer bullet in a .243, although I know that statement will start an argument, I think I'm right. :)  Second of all, the difference in a .25 caliber bullet of 125 gr. and a .30 caliber bullet of 125 gr. is quite a bit.  The .25 cal 125 gr. is actually a fairly heavy bullet for the caliber, while the .30 cal 125 gr. is quite light for the caliber.  I have taken several deer with a 125 gr. Nosler BT out of a .30, which is very, very close to .30-06 velocities.  They never failed, but they dumped all of their energy into the deer and didn't give a real good blood trail, I have since moved to a 150 gr. BT in the .308 and a 165 gr. BT in the .30-06 for deer.  I would recommend the 115 or 125 gr. partition in the .25-06 over the 125 gr. in the .30-06 any day, and the recoil won't be much less in the .30-06 anyway.  Another observation, if you're unsatisfied with the .30-06 performance on deer and think the .25-06 will be better than the .30-06, you're doing one of two things, taking marginally placed shots, or using marginal bullets, the .30-06 is an outstanding deer cartridge in all respects, including trajectory, if you can't hit it with the .30-06 trajectory, you're not going to get it with the .25-06, trust me.  These are all opinions and observations, take them for what they are worth, I do not wish to impress my own observations and opinions as facts written in stone, just what I have experienced, take them for what they are worth.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2003, 01:55:46 AM »
I absolutely concur with Selmer ...  a 125gr bullet in a 30-06 is NOT intended for "big MT deer"!!  This is an antelope bullet at best, but more like a varmint bullet, at the velocities the -06 will be pushing them.  And I agree that the 25-06 will not do anything that the 30-06 you already have won't do ... it shoots lighter bullets of smaller diameter, which both add up to less shock/damage on game.

If you want a bullet that will do lots of damage on it's way thru, shoot 150 or 165gr Ballistic Tips out of your 30-06....  if you want virtually guaranteed complete penetration, shoot 165 or 180gr Partitions.  The 165 Ballistic Tips will be very flat shooting and should exit if no large bones are hit, leaving a good sized exit hole as well.  

But, if I were the one picking a load for large bodied deer I would have to try 165 and 180gr Nosler Partitions and see which shot best in my gun.  Whichever shot best would be my first pick for big deer.  Partitions are sort of the best of both worlds .... the nose if very soft and will explode like a little grenade doing a fair amount of damage, while the rear half will keep on trucking and give an exit hole in most circumstances.

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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2003, 04:28:13 AM »
Quote from: Crayfish

If you want a bullet that will do lots of damage on it's way thru, shoot 150 or 165gr Ballistic Tips out of your 30-06....  if you want virtually guaranteed complete penetration, shoot 165 or 180gr Partitions.  The 165 Ballistic Tips will be very flat shooting and should exit if no large bones are hit, leaving a good sized exit hole as well.  

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Interesting thing about the 165 grain .30-06 ballistic tips - on larger deer upwards of 150 pounds, sometimes they DO penetrate on a lung shot, but sometimes they don't.  On such larger sized deer, I personally would opt for more premium style bullets, like the Partition as Crayfish suggested, as well as Trophy Bonded, Hornady Interbond, and maybe even the Barnes X.  Still, 165 grain ballistic tips are a heck of a much better choice than standard 125 grain bullets on such larger sized deer.

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2003, 06:20:52 AM »
I have killed a ton of deer with the Hornady 130grn Spire point from my 30.06 and that is my #1 bullet of choice for deer hunting here in NC when i'm using my 30.06.  However, i wouldn't recommend it for big whitetails or muleys and i wouldn't use it if i were going on a paid hunt for really big deer. The deer here don't get that big (140/180lbs) and i have had nothing but excellent results with the 130grn bullet.  I killed my biggest buck (186lbs) to date last year at 160yds with this bullet and he never moved after the shot.  All the deer i have shot with it from close range or long range have fallen in their tracks with the exception of a couple that may have went 40yds before falling and i have all the confidence in the world with this combination.  I've only had a couple that wasn't complete passthrus and they both went through both shoulders and lodged in the skin on the opposite side with the same results, dead deer.  I wouldn't recommend a lighter explosive bullet like the ballistic tip but a lighter grain soft point does a fine job on the deer here from my 30.06.  A well placed shot from a good constructed/design bullet put in the vitals is gonna kill.  As for recoil, compared to my 25.06 loaded with a 120grn bullet i can't really tell any difference. I love both calibers as either will surely get the job done if loaded with the right bullet for the game intended.

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2003, 08:34:33 AM »
Stick with 115 or 120 gr. Nosler Partitions in the 25-06.  Or try placing your shots more accurately with your 243, loaded with a 100 gr. Partition.  Also look at the 270, it is a more potent big deer round than the 25-06, and ammo will cost less.  25 cal isn't all that great, a little too much gun for varmints, and little light for bigger than average deer.  With a 270 you can shoot 130-140 gr., at the same speeds the 25-06 shoots a 115-120 gr.  :idea3:    Add the fact they are everywhere to buy, it seems to me like it is a better choice.
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2003, 08:45:12 AM »
I have been watching this and while the 125 .30 cal would compare to the 125 25-06 in recoil, that is all that would be comparable.  The 125 in the 30 cal is a very lightly built bullet and not designed at all for deer.  While some use it for smaller deer and it is very effective of broadside shots, it will fail on the raking shots you described..  For any type whitetail the 165 grain partition from a 30-06 is poison.  They shoot as flat as any hunt can use and the results with the partition are always the same..  An initial crush cavity caused by the forward portion of the bullet and it's voilent expansion, followed by a long fairly narrow trail of damage to an exit wound.  As you've already observed, exits are always nice..  Most deer even hit by large calibers rarely collapse.  Most run for several seconds to several minutes depending on the hit..  The 25-06 was designed for antelope and other thin skinned game at longish ranges.  With the Partitions on board it will kill any deer if fairly hit.  You may also want to look at the BearClaw bullets as made by Speer.  If they're like their namesakes they will turn inside out, delivering tremendous shock..  To get substancially more on target energy at longer ranges you will have to work with a larger engine.  Something along the lines of a 7mmRemingtonMag..  The 7mm is my personal favorite..  I've 2 and they're both leathal.  But if I am purely out for blood my preference runs to the 300 mags.  I've a 300 WinMag I built in the '70s..  If I fire the animal dies..  It's almost scarey at times.  The load?  A maximun charge of 4831 and a 200 grain Partition..  Sounds like a bit of overkill on a whitetail but I had a 200 Speer HotCore bullet fail to completely penetrate on a largish buck at under a hundred yards.  It broke up on the overlapping ribs found at the top of a buck's ribcage near the spine..  He never reacted other than to turn and run away..  it was raining fairly heavily and there was no blood for the first 50-60 yards,, then blood form the exhalation, I did hit the lungs..  I recovered that deer but know that bullet failure is bullet failure..  I shoot partitions at all deer now and in most calibers..   If you must stay with the 25 caliber the 25-06 is a great round.  If your a bit more flexible the 280 or 270 win are every bit as good and both use a bit heavier bullets which I've come more and more to like..  Maybe Elmer Keith wasn't so crazy after all.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2003, 12:19:24 PM »
Well, I can understand that at the rate a standard 30.06 powder charge will whip a lighter 125 gr bullet, it would most likely not hold up well when hitting dense matter such as bone.  I wonder what the comformation of the bullet would look like even before it came in contact with the deer?  

For the record, I do not reload, nor do I even know much on the basics of it, though I do know a couple in this area who do.  Also, I am not into ballistics and the like, as most others in this area are not either.  In this area, we have always just picked up our old deer rifles (whatever they may be) and headed for the hills.  Several years ago, when trophy hunting finally caught on in this large area, I got caught up in it as well.  Since I added trophy hunting to my routine, I get all of my meat deer out of the way in the early season and switch to "horns" soon after.  So, the bucks I persue with the largest horns are usually on the most thick and sinewy deer in the area.  Here, the mature bucks seem to develope wings and fly over the prairie like a jet, as most of all the cover here can be accessed by 4x4.  Also, the mature bucks here will put the run on you well in advance, in most cases, without even looking back to see what spooked them.  So, your shot opportunity averages about two full seconds as your big buck kicks up dust and leaves you behind.  You can see where hunting antelope is little different than hunting mature bucks in this country.  Under these circumstances, your bullet may at times, only strike the edge of the vitals, and on these larger bucks with a 100 gr bullet, it may not implode enough of the surrounding vitals area for a more reasonable "put down".  Though, these circumstances "DO NOT" happen often, they "do" happen.  And the fact that they "do" at times happen,  it makes it my duty to try and terminate such a circumstance from happening again!  This is where I thought that by stepping up to a larger caliber I could add more "shock" to the deer's body and gain that much more for "put down".  I also was thinking that with a larger caliber I could utilize a larger bullet that would obviously cause more damage to the vitals and surrounding area, even on the more marginal shots.  I may however, be getting ahead of my self on this thinking, though, as I wonder if all I really need is a bullet shot out of my .243, to be of a more explosive or damaging type such as the suggested "Barnes XLC" or the similar.   If I can match the right bullet for my .243, that will spread wider damage to the vitals on the, sometimes occuring, marginal vital shots, than I may be able to keep my "well" shooting game getter.  Now that I defined my situation better, what do you folks have to say of my thinking?

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2003, 01:42:59 PM »
Huntrap,

The commercial loads in 125 grain for the .30-06 are NOT offered in the premium bullets that you need. However, that won't affect your range test for muzzle blast and recoil with these loads. If you find them to work in that regard, you can find someone to load you a few boxes (.30-06 equipment is common among handloaders) with premium bullets. There are a few places on the internet where you can order such custom loads. The cost will be a lot more than commercial ammo off the shelf, but still much less than investing in a new rifle. Also, the handloaded round round can be stepped down a notch or two in velocity to further reduce recoil and blast. According to my sources, Barnes offers their X-bullet in 130 grain, which is not very much heavier than the 125 grain. The X-bullet has a great reputation for sustained energy and bullet integrity-just the ticket for your big deer.
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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2003, 08:28:39 AM »
I watch way more than I post, but here's a thought or two.   Those fast moving light bullets tend to blow up on big bones. If you use the .25-06 for anything bigger than antelope, I'd stick to the premium bullets mentioned above.......partitions, etc.

The points made above about a .30-06 are very valid as well. However, I wouldn't waste time nor money with anything lighter than a 150 grain for a game animal the size of a nice muley or bigger whitetail. Go buy yourself a couple of boxes of Hornaday Light Magnum 150 or 165 grain .30-06 ammo and shoot some groups. Don't ask me why, but I can't handload as good as this stuff shoots out of my rifle, no matter what I do. I've killed several deer with this stuff using their spire point bullet, including 2 shots out to 300 yards. The performance is outstanding (I still have the fully mushroomed bullets).

If you want a new gun, go buy a new gun! Why the heck not. However, If you want something that will shoot as flat as that .25-06 and can be loaded up for bigger critters, don't overlook the .30-06 when using the Hornaday or Federal Light Magnum ammo.

Regards,

Rogue

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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2003, 11:45:47 AM »
Like previously said by several, the 06 is as good an all around rifle as you can get.  It is not too lite and not too much. . . it is just right.  Most people who try to stretch a lite caliber eventually end up finding out that they went too far, expected too much.  And almost as often, the person who goes for the very heavy hitter finds that it is not much fun to tote and shoot at medium to smallish game.  I have several rifles (243, 7M-08 and 7MM).  Each has its nitch depending on what I am hunting and where I am going.  There are several calibers that would match up very evenly with any of mine.  I just so happen to like these.  But if you want 1 all around rifle . . . in my mind it would be the 30-06 hands down.  Course this is just another opinion. :-)

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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2003, 08:12:43 AM »
Huntrap_MT,

Weatherby rifles have a chamber that ends in a long (relative to other rifles) cylindrical portion that is at or over the bullet diameter to allow for pressure reduction before the bullet hits the lead that tapers into the rifling. In this way they can use more powder, which gives higher velocities  and lower pressures than they would with a "standard" chamber. It makes it nearly impossible to seat the bullet anywhere near the lands and the cylindrical portion allows some play in bullet flight before it hits the rifling. This causes inaccuracy that varies from rifle to rifle. While it is possible to get a Weatherby to shoot sub-MOA groups it is rare to find one that does.

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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2003, 08:36:28 AM »
PaulS,

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This causes inaccuracy that varies from rifle to rifle. While it is possible to get a Weatherby to shoot sub-MOA groups it is rare to find one that does.


Can you tell me how many Weatherby rifles you own or have owned that makes you say this?  Lawdog
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2003, 10:35:09 AM »
I think that over all the difference in a Weatherby caliber shooting 1.5" versus moa is usually just reloading your shells to be a little longer than printed OAL.  Every rifle I have measures longer than the generic reloading information says, but the Weatherby calibers tend to be longer yet.  Just measure the chamber length and reload as close as you can . . . although you will never get as long as you might like.  I had thought Weatherbys were not moa shooters also (had 3 of them) until I found this out.  It has proven true in my buddies weatherby calibers also as they are "free bored".  I would have no problems having this fine rifles.

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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2003, 12:54:27 PM »
What's all this 30-06 talk.  Go back and see what the guy wanted.  He said 25 caliber "ONLY".  Which brings me to the solution of his dilemma; get the best of both worlds, a 6.5X55 Swede.