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357 Super Mag vs 357 Maximum
« on: September 26, 2003, 07:47:14 AM »
It should be noted, especially by DW owners, that the 357 Super Mag and the 357 Maximum are two different cartridges.  In the beginning there was the 357 Super Mag as conceived  by Elgin Gates.  The Dan Wesson is actually chambered for this cartridge, not withstanding the fact that it is marked 357 Maximum.  I do not know why it is so marked.  The 357 Maximum came along later as a collaberation between Ruger and Remington in one of the typical cases of the big guys taking up a wildcat that works, and fixing it until it doesn't.  As loaded by the factories, it was a flop in the revolver.

The 357 Supermag has a nominal case lenght of 1.610 inch.

The 357 Maximum has a nominal case length of 1.605 inch.

This difference is probably significant only when you are adjusting your crimping die.  In fact, when I buy 357 Max brass and measure it, I find it to be Super Mag length.

The signifcant difference is in OAL.  The Super Mag is to be loaded to an OAL significantly longer than the Maximum.  In fact a properly loaded Super Mag will not chamber in a Maximum chambered revolver such as the Ruger as the cylinder is too short.

As I said above, the Dan Wesson is marked 357 Maximum but is actually chambered for the 357 Super Mag so we are in hog heaven.

This OAL question might affect lifter dimensions if used in a modified lever action rifle.

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357 Supermag
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2003, 03:14:22 AM »
:gun4:   On 10 December 1975 Dad sent in his letter to Remington.  This letter is printed in his book SHOOTING STEEL.  Answer from Remington years later Jan 1983 printed in this book also.  Some guns were produced as Max, Maximum.  The designer called It Supermag.  Dad's 7mm/308x1 1/2 became The Remington BR.  In the end It's all about offering a better cartridges for shooting sports, hunting, etc.  I think there is alot of people out there with great Ideas.  Note it takes alot of money, time, and loss of the hair on your head to get an Idea produced by a gun company.  Ask your self if your willing or able to buy the one thousand guns off the first run, of your Idea.  Tooling costs etc.  I have copies of Shooting Steel.
Father E.T. Gates inventor of the Supermags.  I have books, Load Data Wesson parts, Brass and Dies. "There is no excuse for that first well placed shot"  Elgin Gates