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Offline simonkenton

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« on: October 10, 2003, 06:49:23 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2003, 03:45:11 AM »
I saw this one somewere else before.  We may even have it posted here.  

I have not been toe concernd about the designs posted here. But this one, wow this one scares me.

If that thing were to fall over after they lit the fuse It would be anyones guess as to which would go further the tube or the ball.  


If I were an officer of that club, he would be banned from firing until he had a proper base or tripod.


Folks don't do this!!!

Make a solid base or support for you gun!!!!

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2003, 07:19:49 AM »
Thar's a few thangs I'z seen here what "concern" me, but maybe it's jist the "engineering" in me poor misguided life.

#1 - The use of old gas cylinders is a concern. They are probably better quality steel and fabricated with more care than most "scrap yard" findings, however they were never intended to withstand the kind of pressures and shock loads that they are subjected to when launching a projectile with blackpowder. The highest gas pressures I am aware of (without looking them up) and in the 3,000 to 5,000 PSI range (diver's cylinders). Figures I have seen for "internal bullistics" for blackpowder are in the 30,000 PSI range for a blackpowder rifle. I have no idea what actual pressures may be involved in launching a bowling ball over 300 yards. (My physics is too rusty or I would attemp to calculate it!)

#2 - "Pipe" isn't just "pipe". There are all different grades of pipe, from "black iron water pipe" (which can be garbage made in India and barely able to withstand 100 PSI) to certified high pressure pipe. For example, the 14" diameter, 3/8" wall pipe used in my steam engine barrel is rated 1,400 PSI Steam and (if I remember right) about 5,000 PSI gas.

It scares the he!! out of me when I see people using "unknown materials" in critical applications ("critical" meaning where life or property is at risk).

I suspect that these people have no comprehension of the forces involved or of the carnage that could result from a failure. Does anyone remember the steam engine explosion in Media Ohio? Can anyone spell "law suit"? Look up "schrapnel" and then tell me again about building a cannon barrel from "unknown material"

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2003, 08:42:31 AM »
CJ,

I share your trepidation about these things also.  A straight length of extruded seamless steel pipe not a safe cannon.  This is discussed in the Complete Cannoneer.  

The book cites the N-SSA rules that require liners  to be extruded seamless steel pipe meeting minimum ANSI standard with a minimum wall thickness of 3/8 inch.  All liners have to have a steel breech plug first sweated in place and then welded.    The inside of the breech plug must have a radius of 25% percent of the bore diameter and at least 1 inch thick at it's thinnest.  The liner can then be core cast or bored and slipped in place.  When in place the chamber must be surrounded by one caliber of metal at it's breech.

This is old cannon science and is followed by the rules applied to the design of gunbarrels used for chambering of modern smokeless rifle cartridges. (See Dunlap's Gunsmithing)

Apply this to the mortars and keep in mind that mortar chambers are smaller than the e bore that the ball rides in and uses a correspondingly reduced amount powder. Only the powder chamber  needs to have walls one caliber thick, not the barrrel.  This could be done quite simply with a high pressure gas bottle by making a trunnion bar that encloses the entire valve neck to the thickeness (caliber) of the of the inner diameter of the valve neck. The Valve neck remember in this mortar is the powder chamber.