30-06 recoil help

[JON8777]

I am looking at getting 150 grain rem factory loads or rems 125 reduced recoil ammo.

Hows is the recoil of factory 150's?

Are the 125's any good?

The 30-06 is a 15" non ported.

[BBF]

That is a difficult question to answer. You gave the barrel lenghts only. Is this a carbine and fired from the shoulder or one of those single shot pistols? The recoil will be the same in ftlb but there will be a difference in  f e l t   force.

The felt force is influenced by stock or grip shape, size and type of recoil pad if any.

There is a recoil calculator site on the web, you need to know weight of firearm, muzzle velocity, weight of bullet, weight of powder. They will give you a ftlb of free recoil* answer and the recoil speed of the firearm.


* free recoil is the amount of ftlb left to absorb by something other then the total weight of the firearm.  meaning that is what your hand or shoulder has to soak up.

[Keith L]

If he is from the US I hope it is a pistol.  15 inch barrels don't make it here on a carbine.

[BBF]

I am pretty sure  it wouldn't come out of the hangar here either

[JON8777]

15" pistol, factory non ported.

Looking at recoil charts a 150-165grn 308 has the same recoil as a 130 grain 30-06. Knowing the different powders and powder charges between the calibers, I was wondering its the recoil is more of a bullet weight than powder charge.

[BBF]

The 30+ grains of weight difference from the bullet will make a much larger difference in recoil then the smaller difference of powder weight that would be involved, however the higher velocity from the lighter bullet will add towards recoil.

 You really need to know all of the required info for the recoil calculation to come up with the answers.

[JON8777]

heres my research...

for 30-06 in encore pistol
150 grain gets me about 27 ft# and 18fps vel
125 grain gets me about 24 ft# and 17fps vel


for a hotter 44mag (629 DX)
240 grain gets me about 16 ft# and 17fps vel


45/70 in encore
405 grain gets me about 29 ft# and 19fps vel


where does the breaking point come in shooting this round?

[Sourdough]

Let me just say my Contender in .35 Remington hurts.  I have a Super 14 barrel and shoot factory 225gr loads.  I hunt with this gun, but I don't shoot it a lot for fun, because it is not fun to shoot.

The 30-06 in an unbraked barrel of comparable length would be a handful as well.  Granted you will be shooting lighter bullets, but at higher velocities.   

[BBF]

Just a guesstimate here, IMO to shoot a 30-06 from a handgun you would need to load mild cast bullets from it to be pleasant to shoot. As an example here are three starting loads from Lyman Third Edition of  Cast Bullet Handbook.

Bullet weight 151 gr  #2 Alloy
Unique      12.5 gr  1626 fps   from a 26" barrel
2400         21.0 gr  1739 fps     "     "  "      "
IMR 4227  23.0 gr  1776 fps     "     "  "     "
RX 7         23.5 gr  1669 fps     "     "  "      "

[flinthead]

I don't know anything about charts but I'll tell ya real world results soon enough... I've got a 30-06 15" barrel on the way for my Encore. I'm setting it up with Warne maxima base and rings and a Nikon EER scope,,, I'm not a recoil wimp but it will be interesting to see how she shoots.

[bulletstuffer]

Jon8777,

Factory loads are very sharp off the bags   Hang on as this round is severe in a hand cannon IMO   I've read some guys in this forum shoot some much bigger rounds but everyone has there limits.  You will soon find out if the 06 is yours or not   Good hunting round but no fun to practice with!

Bulletstuffer   

[flinthead]

OK my barrel came in about an hour ago so I cleaned it up, put in on the frame, and mounted the Warne base. This gun does not have the extra weight of the rings and scope which will soak up a little more of the recoil... never the less I went outside and shot a 165 grain core lokt off of shooting sticks. This is my first Encore hand gun so I have nothing to compare it to... but I thought of recoil as muzzle jump or how far the gun makes your hands fly up. The gun was pretty mild in that department, it did sting my bare hands but that felt more like harmonics then recoil,,, I have the factory walnut grip... anyway, that's my thoughts on it.

[JON8777]

Flint-

 Thanks for the info....

 Compare this to a hopped up 44mag... 2x as hard?

[flinthead]

I don't know about that Jon... I don't think it's going to be bad at all with factory 150 grain Silvertips. Like I said, the sting in my strong side right hand was from the vibration of the shot not recoil,,, I believe a set of rubber grips would solve that but I really like the looks of the walnut so I'll just tough it out. My scope should be in tomorrow around noon, if so I set it up and head to the range. I'll let you know how I do with it. Muzzle jump seemed like maybe an inch or two at best.

[JON8777]

I was hoping to make this into a "brush" gun... open sights or a burris speed dot.

I have some 125's that I am going to try, then step up to some 150's.

This brl might be taking a trip to TC for a tamer.

[flinthead]

Got my scope mounted and headed to the range... the good news is that for a complete novice Encore pistol shooter I shot a 1 3/8" 100 yard group, which I thought was pretty good. The bad news is the 30-06 does have a little pop to it off of a front shooting rest... it's not terrible, but you do have to hold on to it. I shot it seven times getting the scope set and I don't feel like I've been beat up or anything... this thing will be fun to hunt with though,,, I can't wait!

[BBF]

All these posts show just how great of difference people have in regards to acceptable recoil considering that some feel the 30-06 in a rifle is uncomfortable.

[JON8777]

anyone ever send a brl back to TC to get the tamer installed? The 7-30 has a tamer, like it

[JON8777]

Shot the 30-06 today... 125 grn rems and then 150 rems... not bad at all!!!!! recoil is directly back, minimal flip. I reminds me of a hopped up 44 mag.