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Offline teddy12b

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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2009, 07:11:28 AM »
I would agree that a semi auto would be "useful".  If I had to pick one gun, it'd be a 22LR and mine is a ruger 10/22 because it's a time proven design that functions flawlessly.  In that way of thinking I think having my 22LR as a semi is useful.  If I was ever forced into shooting game for food and all I had was my one gun, I'd like to know I have some follow up shots ready with my 22LR.
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2009, 04:45:35 PM »
I agree, the 10/22 is a very good rifle. I like mine and use it for small game hunting

      BUT........

it's fussy about the ammo I feed it, prefere's CCI and Winchester and it dosn't shoot long's or shorts
for this reason I may not take it if I had to leave home in a hurry although If I stay then thats ok
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2009, 08:20:02 PM »
The last guy the mob is going to get to is the one well hidden and in the best defensive position or the one most effective while fleeing.  Either way, make mine a pump 12 gauge along with a handgun which won't be picked up until I am out of shotgun shells and a good scoped rifle because if you can repel the initial and probably less than full on assault, I'd rather try to keep them at bay at 250 yards than 25 until I am ready to flee.  All this is based on mob mentality, though.  A highly motivated or trained group, well save the last shell for yourself but you probably won't be needing it as you are going to have a lot of extra ones lying around when they carry your body out.
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2009, 02:04:42 AM »
 As a city boy, I have no need of an auto rifle to defend the home in most situations; if I were to engage someone 50 yds from my fence I couldn't truthfully say it was in self defense unless an individual was plinking at me from that distance (not likely).

 Even if I were to have to leave my property (still being in somewhat close  city quarters), I would opt to carry only a reliable semi-auto pistol with as many mags & ammo as practical.

 However, if I needed to walk out where I might be targeted across an open area I'd want a light, short (concealed until needed), hi-cap semi-auto in .556 or 7.62x39. IMO, anything with less firepower isn't scary enough to keep heads down long enough to have a good chance to get to cover.

 When I had Uzi training years ago, the instructor asked the class "what's the 1st thing to do when you have a stoppage?" I leaned to my buddy and whispered "toss it and find a real gun?"
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2009, 05:08:01 AM »
Quote from: don heath on July 29, 2009, 02:48:14 AM
Following the thread- is one enough, I get the feeling that a significant number of folk regard a Semi Auto rifle as important if not essential for a survival rifle.

bearing in mind that in any survival situation, whether you are barricaded in your home holding off a mob or hightailing it through the wilderness, you will (should) be acting purely defensively - to what extent do you belive that
a) Semi Auto is essential
b) Useful
c) irrelevant

Confidence in ones ability and equipment being absolutely essential to survival, ones choice in rifle cannot be 'wrong' - this is just for interest...and to get folk thinking.

Essential - No >>>> Useful - Yes
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2009, 08:05:16 AM »
Semi is really self loading , and if you are injured and only have one arm/hand in use or are carring some one or thing a self loader would be darn handi , if it had a 20 round mag. so much the better .
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2009, 08:19:23 AM »
true ... but a one-eyed fat man twirling a Winchester with one hand just looks cooler  ;D
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2009, 08:27:05 AM »
FILL YOUR HANDS YOU S@# O# A# B^%$%!!!!     I love that movie. ;D
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2009, 08:27:41 AM »
that's a fact ! :D
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2009, 08:36:01 AM »
Semi-autos are for 2 legged predators.  I think everyone should have at least one in a military caliber.  However, rely on your main bolt or lever gun for actual woods survival. 
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2009, 05:32:06 PM »
Short answer- no; but, I like 'em and they have their place in some situations. That being said, my preferred "survival" gun would be a 12g pump gun. readily available ammo, ability to do anything you need a gun to do with the exception of long-range shooting. I don't see long-range as likely or necessary in a survival scenario, so feel I'm covered
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2009, 01:26:00 AM »
I agree with the shotgun , and with a good gun and a shooter that knows his gun and ablity they can worry a target out past 200 yards if not take it out .
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2009, 07:23:50 AM »
I believe this was posted before. How many 12 gauge shells can you tote along compared to 223's or even better 22 LR's ? ;)
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2009, 07:32:03 AM »
Quote from: BBF on August 11, 2009, 07:23:50 AM
I believe this was posted before. How many 12 gauge shells can you tote along compared to 223's or even better 22 LR's ? ;)

i  see  your  point
but  if  i am  walking  i am  not going far
if  i am  riding  it won't matter
with  a  223 or  12ga.......i  can  get a truck
tho  i can  get one with  a 22  also
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2009, 08:10:41 AM »
I don't know how many birds can you shoot on the wing with a 223 ? How many 223 rounds can you load with rocks , nails or any other hard item if shot or bullets are not aval. ? hey how many 223 bullets can you stuff in a 12 gage shot cup ? If you are hurt , cold or weak how easy is it to shoot an AR compared to an 870 ? 22 LR bullets aren't the ticket in a wet enviroment with a heel type bullet . A 22 mag. with a jaketed bullet would be far better BTW .
Areas and homes are far more likely to have shotgun shells than rifle bullets as a rule since in many places rifle use is restricted. Even bird shot can be pulled and melted down and replaced to make a more powerful load . Gauge adapters make it possible to use sub gauge shells at the same time with standard gage shells in a pinch .
I feel also in a survival situation there would be much more in the form of tools , medicine , food and water to carry than a soilders supply of ammo . I would assume if you are in survival mode you don't expect resupply anytime soon and would advoid contact with hostiles anyway , this would require woodsmanship not the funds to buy a high priced rifle .
And to end sorta  on topic a rem 20 ga 1100 is darn hard to jam .
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2009, 08:58:22 AM »
My thinking on posting the question was that you would not be in a position to do any of that reloading you mentioned, nor having access or the means of running a motorized vehicle. Would I shoot a  grouse,duck, goose, or turkey etc with a rifle under those circumstances. You bet I would.
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2009, 09:18:28 AM »
My point is the shotgun and its ammo is more versitle , i could pry open bird shot and replace it with something bigger with little more than a pocket knife if need be. I have shot 2 turkeys flying with a rifle and will be the first to admit it was a lot of luck ( bad luck for the gobbler ) . But i don't think it would be a good thing to depend on if my life depended on it . I have also killed them flying with a shotgun and found that somewhat easy . I didn't figure on a vehicle either as if i had that in peace time i would be in good shape and in war or unrest it would draw attention at best and fire at worst.
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2009, 04:29:32 PM »
Murphy rules in this imaginary land we're preparing for: anything that can break, will. So reduce the number of points of failure in your weapons system. If you expect to be able to find it, you won't. So have it on you, or know how to live without it. I got to visit a former USSR state shortly after the wall fell down. Commercial tractors rusting where they were parked as the Russians left; little boys tilling with a donkey drawn plow in furrows around these gigantic behemoths. No one knew how to fix them, or find parts. No one knew how to fix the pumping stations to get fuel out to the vehicles - they were dipping pails with a rope. No one knew how to fix the city water system - they were dipping pails in a lake, that was full of sewage because no one knew how to fix it, nevermind get parts. All over there were technologically advanced items in corners, in trash piles ... gunstocks being used for furniture legs and firewood. The value of the original design was completely lost in a land where things were either useful or thrown away (or killed).
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2009, 09:33:55 PM »
teamNelson is right about what technology gets wasted- Zim has gone from one of Africa's leading agricultural producers to starving in a decade- and gone from tractors back to ox drawn plows, candels have replaced light bulbs and bycyles have replaced cars...

The only Semi Auto I have ever seen keep operating in truely adverse conditions is the AKM. I have always carried an F.N. FAL, M16 or Sig 551...until I tried an F.N.C. (essentailly a wester .223 chambered AK). A canoe trip or two taught me that no M16 or F.F. FAL will still be working at the end of a windy day with sand filling the action. Sure, you can clean it and get it working again, but when it was needed (as you beech) I couldn't be sure of more than one round.

The F.N.C is a great rifle- accurate enough for game out to 200m or people to 300m- but I cannot find another and government wouldn't sell me the one I was issued >:(
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Re: Do You Need a semi auto rifle?
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2009, 01:14:17 PM »
If your trying to survive against humans a high capacity auto is the best option. If its out in the wild I'd opt for the 22 or 12 gauge and some snare wire. My way of thinking is--- be prepared for the worst but hope for the best. I know I have a AR with lots of 30rd mags and ammo too. And guess what----I know how to keep'em running in the desert or in the arctic----- already done it.  Yep, and extra parts too. My AR is good for across the room or 500m and can put down a good rate of fire if needed. Hopefully it would never come to that.   Dave
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