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What % of your check do you actually get?

90% or more
2 (8.3%)
80% - 90%
2 (8.3%)
70% - 80%
2 (8.3%)
60% - 70%
9 (37.5%)
50% - 60%
5 (20.8%)
50% or less
4 (16.7%)

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Offline teddy12b

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I keep reading about how bad the economy is and how much all these new great programs are going to cost us all.  I'm of the opinion that the government takes enough of my money already and that I'd be getting a huge raise if they just cut my taxes in half.

Please don't say how much money you make, that's not what's needed.  I'd just like to know how much money do you get to keep out your check

Total amount on check / Total Gross  = %

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Check!
You get a CHECK?

I own and run my own small business of selling horse and cattle trailers along with my wife.
We have no employees.

Three years ago I was the largest livestock trailer dealer east of the MISSISSIPPI RIVER.
I sold over 450 trailers.
Two years ago it dropped to 150.
Last year it was 29 and so far this year it is only 17.

By the time you take out the business license, sales tax, insurance, electric, phone, property tax and maintenance there isn't any check left.
These are just for the business.
We don't even draw salary, never have.
Last year and this year is the only two years that our business has ever shown a loss since my FATHER started it in the 1960s.
I joined him in the early 70s and took over in 91.

Now ad to that the cost of living with a family of 5 and all the household expenses and guess what is left.
Just my health insurance is over $1650.00 a month!

If my FATHER had not taught me to save when times were good we would be broke.
It ain't easy trying to live out of a check book that is getting smaller each day as most of you know.
I have a young 17 year old son who would like his own car and wants to go to college after he is finished his school next year.

We will survive as most all the others will too, but the quality of life won't be like it was.

Now you know why I was selling so many of my extra HANDY barrels.
That way I didn't have to take any money out of the checking to buy the gun related things I need or want.

Not trying to lay a big sob story on here for all to see as I am sure there are lots in the same boat and some much worse off than us.

At least I don't owe any money and we are all pretty healthy even with my heart problems.

I pray for the day when the economy is better and people can enjoy life again!


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I don't think most people really understand how much their health insurance actually costs.  I've been hearing mumblings that the current administration is going to make people pay taxes on what their company pays for health insurance as a taxable benefit.  That will blow people's minds.

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If you're working and answered more than 50% you're not counting enough of the factors. By the time you pay all taxes, which include your property taxes, fuel taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes, etc, it's probably around 50%. If you also include costs of regulation expenses for your banks, utilities, etc, then the number is probably closer to 45%. Perhaps even 40%, depending on where you live.

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I AGREE WITH QUESTER, Now that being said I really dont wanna know the real figure due to the fact that It may depress me to the point of going ballistic and losing what religion i have left and becoming a wacked out serial sniper!
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I guess I am lucky, I live in a state where we only have property taxes.  My annual property taxes are waived due to my being a disabled vet.  I only pay federal income taxes on my Air Force retirement, Social Security disability, and Permanent Fund Dividend.  My VA disability is tax free.  Now you know why I live in Alaska.  We have no sales taxes to farther drain our income either. 

When I lived in Washington DC I learned a lesson about how the people there are living to pay taxes.  I did not want to be one of them so I moved back to Alaska.  I paid 37% of my income there in Fed and Local income taxes.  Then with the high sales taxes it hurt even farther.
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Maybe I just look at all of this much too simply, but why not use a tax cut to stimulate the economy?

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Sourdough:

Alaska is seeming more attractive all the time.

Californians on the urban coastal areas are like those DC people too. I know people who live in million dollar homes that can't afford to do anything except enjoy their homes, and some very simple pleasures.
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If you think you are paying less than 50% of your income out in some form of taxes you are mistaken.

Read this and weap...

 How much tax do we really pay?


Item   Rate   Notes
Federal personal income tax    17%    Top 25% rate. It ranges from a credit up to well over 40%. Source
State & local income taxes    10.1%    State taxes range from under 6% to over 12%. Local taxes run from zero to 2.75%. Source,  source,  source2008 source
Sales tax    8.6%    Figure is the average rate. State sales taxes range up to 7% and local taxes run from zero to over 5%. Source,  source,  source
Social security & Medicaid    7.65%    Total rate is actually 15.3% since half is paid by the employer, but we're ignoring that to be kind. Source, box 1
Federal corporate income tax share    3%    Based on corporate taxes being approximately 1/6 of personal taxes, and that they are paid by individuals in the final analysis. Source
Property tax    2.5%    Yearly average actual costs range from under $200 in Alaska to almost $1900 in New Jersey. Source
Fuel/gasoline tax    .5%    Approximately 23% of the 2005 gasoline price is for federal & state taxes. The federal excise tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. Per the CPI, about 6% of the average budget is for transportation. Estimated. Source
Other    5%    Includes estate tax, fees, licenses, inflation losses, inheritance, deficit allowance, gift, and others too numerous to mention. Estimated.

Total tax percentage paid by the above average US citizen, 2005 - 54.4%


Note 1: the total tax paid is closer to 46-48%, since the figures above do not distinguish between taxes on gross and net income. Note also that the Tax Foundation's numbers are closer to 34% for the actual "average" US citizen.

Note 2: Inflation effects are likely quite understated - if actual inflation is 6% and one is only earning 4%. the tax rate is not the main issue.

Note 3: This page is not intended to be definitive and completely accurate on tax rates and issues - to do so would be virtually impossible considering all the factors. Its primarily intended to show a fuller picture than is normally presented.

A partial list of the various ways in which citizens of the US are taxed:

    * Accounts Receivable Tax
    * Building Permit Tax
    * Capital Gains Tax
    * CDL license Tax
    * Cigarette Tax
    * Corporate Income Tax
    * Court Fines (indirect taxes)
    * Deficit spending
    * Dog License Tax
    * Federal Income Tax
    * Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    * Fishing License Tax
    * Food License Tax
    * Fuel permit tax
    * Gasoline Tax
    * Hunting License Tax
    * Inflation
    * Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
    * Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
    * IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    * Liquor Tax
    * Local Income Tax
    * Luxury Taxes
    * Marriage License Tax
    * Medicare Tax
    * Property Tax
    * Real Estate Tax
    * Septic Permit Tax
    * Service Charge Taxes
    * Social Security Tax
    * Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
    * Sales Taxes
    * Recreational Vehicle Tax
    * Road Toll Booth Taxes
    * School Tax
    * State Income Tax
    * State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    * Telephone federal excise tax
    * Telephone federal universal service fee tax
    * Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
    * Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
    * Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
    * Telephone state and local tax
    * Telephone usage charge tax
    * Toll Bridge Taxes
    * Toll Tunnel Taxes
    * Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
    * Trailer Registration Tax
    * Utility Taxes
    * Vehicle License Registration Tax
    * Vehicle Sales Tax
    * Watercraft Registration Tax
    * Well Permit Tax
    * Workers Compensation Tax



Oil industry profits are less than the taxes they pay

History of Federal Individual Income Tax Rates

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As the man above wrote,
You can not only look at your pay check.
Look at all of your bills as well.
Also there are hidden taxes that your employer pays for you.  this is $ they could be paying you.
So for every $1 that is taken from you for Social Security and medicare your employer pays $2.  Just think if that was used to fund your 401K or other benefit package you would never need social security if invested over your working life time.
Add to all the taxes you see the ones that are not there but you pay in the cost of a good.  The next time you buy a beer.
there is the sin tax added to it,  but to that is added the taxes that the brewery will have to pay on the profit, the cost of the taxes to the labor force, and the tax on the fuel to produce the product and get it to market that the brewery has to pay.  Not to mention the out let where you are buying the beer, plus the taxes of the distrubitor. 
When the liberal say that Big Business does not pay Taxes they are 1/2 right.  the business does send $to local, state, and federal governments they build into the price of what you buy those taxes that they need to pay.
If you rent... Same thing you are paying the property tax of the owner plus enough to pay the tax on any profit he is making from you paying rent.

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Re: Let's complain about taxes. What % of your check do you actually get?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2009, 11:23:49 AM »
Just think of the snowball effect of taxes you are paying more for your goods because the buisiness had to reaise the price because of the taxes they are paying. And just think they have to raise them even more because their employees are demanding higher wages as they can't live of their wage after the taxes are removed. I would venture. To say 80% of all income in America ends up paying a tax.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: Let's complain about taxes. What % of your check do you actually get?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 02:39:06 AM »
We no longer live in a republic/democracy.  We live in  kleptocracy.  Traditionally, a kleptocracy
has been some off the wall third world craphole or a corrupt oil rich country run by a petty dictator:  A petty dictator who steals from the citizens in order to enrich himself.  The dictator will dispense goodies to certain elements of the population in order to retain popular support. 

Pulitzer prize winning author Jared Diamond states that it is entirely possible to have a kleptocracy in a two party system:  That is what we have in the USA today.   The fat cat Wall St. bankers were well taken care of by US political pukes in DC from boty partys who bent over backward to loosen the rules and regulations so those fat cats could play fast and loose. 

Look at those who benefit from the largess passed around by the Democrats and Republicans.  The Democrats just love to give out our tax money to the neer-do-wells who refuse to work.  The Republicans support a huge defense industry and no bid government contracts.  The B-2 bomber cost over 2 billion dollars:  What the heck for? 

The two US partys agree to agree on certain elements of their policies.  Take farm welfare for example.  Farm welfare is well entrenched in the US.  Not one political puke in DC dares to talk too loudly about eliminating farm welfare because the farmers would be unhappy.  70 percent of farm welfare money goes to 10 percent of the recipients:  This is just fine with both partys.