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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2009, 04:22:23 PM »
Serving from 69 to 70 I never felt we were losing.  It was very confusing when I was young. I never looked at it as a matter of winning or losing all I cared about were the guys in my unit and staying alive.
I didn't care for WC's anti-gun comments. But he was a journalist's journalist. Not like these dopes today who "report" the political ideas of the management of the news organizations. That goes for the right and the left.

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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2009, 04:26:26 PM »
I remember watching cronkite in the 50's, I Didn't have any political views then. Cronkite lost me as a fan in the 2000 election debacle!  I'm only sorry he lived longer than my Father, who was a better man and was never on TV!

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Walt wasn't a leftist,

BS even if he had a nice sailboat and he sailed into your harbor he was a leftist and you continue to be full of it!

One's view concerning who is on the left depends on where you stand.

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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2009, 06:07:24 PM »
The way I see it W.C. defeated America on TV. He was the Viet Cong’s top media general on TV, and led  offensives against our troops every night. The Tet offensive was actually  a victory, but you would have never known it listening to Walter. He covered it as a huge loss, which fueled the anti war movement and its allies in Congress and Hollywood. People like Hanoi Jane. His coverage of Tet is what led to the shift of American public opinion against the war.
Later instead of just reporting the news in his constant lying manner he began delivering a bitter commentary against America’s war efforts. The left credits him with helping end the war. I believe he just helped lose it. In a way he has some of the blood on his hands from the thousands that died on the battle field.
Vietnam was the first American war shown on the nightly news, and Cronkite was the just lose it crowd’s commander in chief.
   Just look at who idolized him. It was the liberal mainstream media. In many ways he is their Michael Jackson, minus the talent. Look at all the liars that have modeled themselves after him. They have spent decades on the TV news tearing and dumbing down America from within. Cronkite was no different than the communists you watch on news channels like MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS.


I'm just curious -  my airlift wing brought back 9,299 (serious wounded) casualties in one month - Feb '68 after Tet, and 10,523 full caskets in that same year through Travis AFB. 
How do you think that those types of statistics should be reported by the press?  Or maybe you believe they shouldn't be?  Did you like the BS McNamara body count propaganda better? Compare VN casualty stats with Iraq and Afghanistan - do you think that they were so inconsequential in 1968 that people weren't getting wore out on this - with or without Cronkite?
NO doubt -  during Tet, we kicked butt.  But if you don't acknowledge our cost in blood and lives, and you don't realize that South Viet Nam wasn't any closer to standing on it's own at that time, I wonder how you do measure the cost of war and how you define victory? You also must realize that although we ultimately prevailed in the Tet Offensive, it was a shock that NV could mount such a widespread campaign.
Charlie wasn't done yet, after getting whupped all over Viet Nam in during Tet, and those NV sob's had more staying power and focus than the South Vietnamese.
Yes, Viet Nam was the first TV war and people saw color movies of their sons, brothers, sisters, and fathers killed and wounded every night in their living room.  It was a new and stark way to see war.  Reality isn't nice.
As he proudly displayed later, Cronkite was a liberal, anti-gun, I'll even say he was a lefty. Everything I despise. But during many of his years as a reporter, I believe his ethics as a journalist prevailed in his work, and when he editorialized about Viet Nam I heard him identify his words as such - so I accepted it as his opinion, not facts.
I don't accept that WE lost in Viet Nam.  Our people won in every way that could be expected of us.  The objective was not attained however.  To blame Cronkite for that and ignore the whole rest of the situation is absurd. 
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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2009, 05:08:17 AM »
I have mixed feelings about the war.  I read "A bright shinning star".  It is about John Paul Vann.  It had history about the lead up to the war and our commitment which I have not found elsewhere.  I did just recently read a research paper on VN by an airman on another website which confirms what I read.  Search for Viet Nam why were we there

We could have avoided the war except for our needing airfields in France which Wilson wanted.  We pushed Ho off when he came to us after he had read Wilson's "point of light."  Ho thought we would help him and his country regain soverignty and kick the French out of Asia.  We didn't help.  Russia and China filled the void.  Ho was for a nationalized Viet Nma.  We could have helped and avoided 55000 deaths.

That said, We were handicapped by our politicians in the US.  Once we commited we should have had a stragedy to win rather than a "war of attrician(sp?)" like McNamara wanted.  he was going to wear them down.  he underestimated the will of the Vietnamese and their desire to be free of imperialist rule.

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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2009, 05:38:25 AM »
There's a very good book on this subject called The Necessary War. It explains the various pressures that got us into it.
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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2009, 09:34:10 AM »
Ho thought we would help him and his country regain soverignty and kick the French out of Asia.  We didn't help.  Russia and China filled the void.  Ho was for a nationalized Viet Nma.  We could have helped and avoided 55000 deaths.

Why in the hell would we help a communist take over a country? Why do you think Russia and China helped? Duh!
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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2009, 09:50:10 AM »
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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2009, 10:44:43 AM »
  the troops performed well...as usual. It was the politicians in Washington who wavered and cowered in varying ways. Perhaps the blame, if it MUST be placed, lies more with the voters who campaigned for and voted for weak, cowardly candidates.
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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2009, 11:30:16 AM »
Cement Man,  I do not blame Cronkite for losing the war, but I blame him for helping. After the tet offensive he lied about it to American wife’s, mothers, fathers, and siblings of our boys on the battlefield. As the old saying goes, once a liar always a liar.
Journalists are to report facts, not change stories to shape opinion how they think it should be. Kind of like our traitor news stations did and are still doing during the war in Iraq. I look at what type of people supported the man and that tells me enough about him.

I don’t share your opinion of Cronkite and you are certainly entitled to whatever opinion you may have of him.   I also thank you very much for your service. I’m indebted.   
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Re: Anti-gun leftist Walter Cronkite dies
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2009, 11:54:44 AM »
I always saw him as a loyal, trustworthy man.
Loyal and trustworthy to those who have been using a wrecking ball on our country for over a century.
I say good riddance, and good luck on that judgement day thing.
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