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Offline savageT

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« on: October 05, 2003, 05:09:44 AM »
Given that this subject is discussed almost daily, I would like to ask some BASIC questions concerning trigger evaluation and adjustment: i.e.
definition of Trigger Pull; Creep; Overtravel

OK, the trigger pull(in lbs/ozs) can be easily measured with a spring or digital scale.

What is Creep?  Is it that kind of notchy feeling before the trigger releases the firing pin?

What is Overtravel?  Is it the amount of trigger movement AFTER the firing pin is released? Who really cares???

What sort of safe way to test a trigger w/o actually firing a live round?


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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2003, 06:38:11 AM »
Trigger pull or pull weight is the amount of force to move the trigger until the sear is released.
 
Creep is the amount  trigger movement before the sear is released not to include the first amount of movement of a two stage trigger. ( that is described as take up)
 
Overtravel is the amount of movement after the sear is released. Over travel effects accuracy if there is too much of it by the continued trigger finger movement may induce the shooter to pull off a slight amount.
 
I would say the safe way to check out a trigger is with the rifle unloaded and secured in a vice like a cleaning vice. You could use snap caps to keep from dry firing.

You are correct in your understanding of the terms. I hope this helps. Dave
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2003, 11:50:34 AM »
Dave has pretty well defined the 'what' they are in your question.  The why is simply this.  The rifle is an inanimate object.  For it to become a weapon requires the interface of a person.  The main interface on any weapon is the trigger.  Heavy triggers make accurate rifle shooting nearly impossible but light triggers with large amounts of creep and overtravel are nearly as impossible to master.  An example - I have a CZ 452 that has to be the most accurate 22 rimfire I own, maybe one of the most accurate I've ever owned.  I also have a 52 Winchester, one of the currently made variants with the 'micro-motion trigger'.  The 52 while a really great shooting rifle is not a mechaically accurate as the CZ but the CZ's trigger can't hold a candle to the micro-motion trigger of the M52.  In the woods hunting squirrels they are both great rifles but the CZ demands a bit more.  The M52 is easier to hit with and that makes up (easily) for any difference in intrinsic accuracy..  Off a bench the CZ always wins, in the woods, the winchester is easily as good.  Now if I could just figure a way to transplant that Winchester masterpiece into the CZ, I would have true greatness.  Just as a note.  Trigger pulls should be measured with the rifle muzzel down and solidly held.  The guage is attached to the center of the trigger blade and pull stright up paralell to the centerline of the rifle and centered on a line through the center of the butt plate.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2003, 10:32:59 AM »
Expounding a little on "creep".  When you squeeze the trigger and really feel the movement in the trigger sear, you are experiencing creep. It is very undesireable. Most shooters can deal with a heavier pull but when you feel creep, it makes you think the gun is going off, but doesn't. Some creep is so bad it feels like gravel in the trigger sear.
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