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Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« on: September 23, 2009, 06:52:05 AM »
I have been calling around for a gun that a lefty like me can get for a decent price.  I have found in two local pawn shops a Remington 7400 in a .270 with a Nikon Prostaff scope, synthetic grip:  asking price: $400.  or a Remington Pump also in a .270 with a Simmons scope (not sure what model) and wood stock for $380.  I've heard that the wood stocks kick more and the auto-loaders jam too much (a friend of mine calls them a glorified single-shot - he's had a bad experience).  I'm not sure if either is a great deal.  Any thoughts?

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 11:31:16 AM »
Go with the 7600. Dead nuts reliable.

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 03:09:01 PM »
Prices vary around the country, but I can find used 760s and 7600s for under $350 with a cheap scope.  They are fairly common in central and northern WI.  The price listed is not a terrible price, but I would try to negotiate down a bit.

I have both 760 and 7600 and think they are great guns for lefties.  Have always been distracted by autoloaders cycling in my face and can not shoot them well. 

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 04:45:46 AM »
Thanks for the input.  the 7600 seems to have a better reputation.  I do have further info:  The simmons scope on the 7600 is a ProDiamond.  Admittedly, I know very little about optics, but I thought that the ProDiamond was a shotgun scope.  Any ideas?

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 02:42:10 PM »
7600 with out a second though good soild user friendly (lefty) I have one in 35 Whelen and it is a joy
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 03:56:40 PM »
Thanks for the input.  the 7600 seems to have a better reputation.  I do have further info:  The simmons scope on the 7600 is a ProDiamond.  Admittedly, I know very little about optics, but I thought that the ProDiamond was a shotgun scope.  Any ideas?

I don't know about the scope, but a shotgun scope will work just fine on a deer rifle.  You may want to eventually upgrade, but this scope will get you started and may be just fine for a long while. 

Better scopes give you advantages, but you can hunt most situations with that prodiamond

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 03:21:51 AM »
Thanks for everyone's input.  The 7600 seems to be the clear winner.  I went and took a look at it yesterday (previously I had just called the pawn shop and they described it).  It truly is a gorgeous gun: checkered stock and for-end in a fleur de lys pattern.   It was my first time ever handling a pump (I'm showing my lack of experience here).  My main concern is the awkward feeling as I shouldered it.  I am accustomed to holding a rifle further up, right behind the magazine.  With the pump, I had to reach much further than I'm accustomed to.  I know I am hemming and hawing about this, but this will be my first real deer rifle (I have hunted squirrel and smaller critters since I was a kid) and I don't want to regret the purchase.  Anyway, thanks for everyone's advice and expertise.

So far as it stands the score is:

7400 - wins with comfort and "feel", much better scope, and lighter

7600 - hands down winner in the court of public opinion when it comes to reliability (2 sporting goods places near me won't even carry the 7400 - referring to it as the jam-o-matic). 

Price and Looks - virtual tie

Hopefully, I'll luck up on a deal for a Browning BAR with a good scope for around $400 and render the point moot, but while I'm wishing, maybe I'll find a lifetime supply of free ammo while I'm at it.  ;D

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2009, 03:35:55 AM »
The 7400 gets a bad reputation though in my opinion it is the guy maintaining it that is the problem.  I bought a nice used one a couple of years ago and it never jammed when fed proper ammo. Also don't rest the gun on the magazine when you fire it.  I took a 10 point buck last season with mine using 150 gr. Remington factory ammo which worked just fine and recently killed three hogs with it.  The 7400 is sensitive to powder residue in the chamber so you have to clean the chamber and locking lug area everytime you shoot 20 or so rounds.  If you use ammo loaded with extruded powder which burns cleaner powder residue is almost eliminated and number of shots fired before the lug area and the chamber need to be cleaned is greatly increased. Some ball powder is pretty clean burning as well.  You also have to remove the forearm and clean the gas tube area when you clean the gun.  Some factory ammo is very dirty as to powder residue, I'd avoid it.  When I got my 7400 which is a 30-06 I shot 60 rounds of the Remington factory ammo before I cleaned it with never a bobble. And there was an issue with the factory ammo itself.  Don't forget there are a number of Remington haters that will expound vitriole without good reason.
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2009, 03:41:48 AM »
The 7400 also has some benefits over the 7600.  First the forearm doe not rattle.  Second there is no extra noise when the semiauto functions itself as the noise is covered by the shot. There certainly is when you cycle the 7600. While you can cycle the pump and still keep you scope on the animal the 7400 does this much easier.  I also like the forearm being closer to the reciever as it places my left hand in a more comfortable position.
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2009, 05:22:54 PM »
You can't use a semi-auto firearm for hunting in Pennsylvania (you don't state where you hunt). The pump requires less maintanence than the semi-auto and the "consensus" is the pump tends to be a bit more accurate on the average. What rickt300 has posted is spot on. I haven't had the "rattle" problem with my 760 or 7600. A 7600 with a synthetic stock and forearm will weigh the same as the 7400.  The 7400 should have a little less felt recoil. If you are new to hunting and firearms the manual action would tend to be safer for a novice since the shooter has to chamber each cartridge. As long as both funtion properly and are in good shape they are both a good choice.
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2009, 03:01:27 AM »
Well, I'm glad I finally had some posts in the pro-7400 camp.  I took a gamble and went with comfort and feel over looks and reputation and purchased the 7400 this weekend.  The dealer came off of the price and I walked away paying just $375, tax and all.  It has been raining here almost daily, so I haven't gotten a chance to try it out, but I hope to either today or tomorrow.  Hopefully I won't regret it.

Thanks for everyone's input. 

Oh, and as a side note - I am hunting in southern Mississippi, so semi-autos are fine here.

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2009, 09:49:04 AM »

7400 - wins with comfort and "feel", much better scope, and lighter


The 7400 and 7600 catalogue specs call out the same weight.


The 7400 also has some benefits over the 7600.  First the forearm doe not rattle. 

I have a 760 and a 7600 and neither of them "rattle". Well, if I grab it and shake it like crazy I guess it rattles but I don't usually do that when I'm hunting so I fail to see how this is an issue...

Second there is no extra noise when the semiauto functions itself as the noise is covered by the shot. There certainly is when you cycle the 7600.

So...what is the issue here? Once you fire your first shot (which will drop your deer anyway... ;)) I doubt that any game is going to be more distracted by the cycling of the pump than it was at the sound of the shot anyway...

cjwheat - I hope the 7400 works out well for you. My father carried a 742 for many years with only a couple of issues. I can give you two peices of advice:

1. Keep your magazines clean and free of oil. In Maine, the area we hunt is certainly "Remington Country" with the majority of the rifles being the auto-loading versions. My dad had his gun jam one time. The fix was to boil both of his magazines...you wouldn't believe the crap that came out of there: pine needles, wool pants pocket fuzz, etc. After boiling they dried the mags in an oven at very low temps. No oil...

2. No oil...or very little. Don't put any oil on sliding surfaces, only on pivoting surfaces if you must and very sparingly at that. Oil attracts crud and crud is an autoloader's nightmare.

Keep it clean and it'll treat you fine! The only other issue any of the guys I hunt with have had with the auto loaders is one guy had a plugged gas port and had to have a gunsmith fix it, but not knowing all the details I would guess this problem with fall under the "no oil- keep it clean rule". Good luck!
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 02:12:19 AM »
I disagree on the no oil. you need to oil the rotating bolt and where the groove in the top of the reciever is to reduce wear. The only place powder fouling builds up is in the locking lug area and with clean ammo this doesn't happen very fast.  I say oil just enough.  My old 760's forearm made some noise, more than I liked anyway but what I didn't like was how far forward the forearm is.  The noise of the action being cycled is very noticable when one is trying to get multiple kills hog hunting as it locates you to the animals.
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2009, 02:22:39 AM »
OK, we can agree to disagree! ;) If it were mine, I'd oil it for range work but I'd degrease it thouroughly before hunting...that's just my $.02...

I wasn't thinking about hog hunting/multiple kills so you may have something there, although I still don't understand how the cycling of a pump is going to locate you to game any faster than the sound of the shot...?

As far as the reach of the forearm, I can see where this might be a problem with some shooters. In the second Benoit video, you can see Lanny shoot at a buck and his left hand is off the forearm, closer to the receiver when he fires... I've never had a problem with it but I have long arms so that probably helps...
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2009, 04:38:20 AM »
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The 7400 and 7600 catalogue specs call out the same weight.


the weight difference between the two that I looked at was most likely due to the fact that the 7400 was synthetic and the 7600 was wood.

There seemed to be little to no rattle with the 7600.  My deciding factor came down to feel.  In many ways the 7600 was much more appealing, but I decided that the comfort of the 7400 was most important.  Also, with my limited funds, the fact that the scope was infinitely better put the semi over the edge. 

Life is still keeping me from the range, but hopefully I will test my gamble out soon.

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2009, 01:51:39 AM »
I have seen several times that the first shot often causes them to freeze for a second to decide which way to run but cycleing the action puts them on the run.  As for an oil I like to use transmission fluid mixed 50/50 with Lucas oil treatment. You can put this on and it will stay pretty much where you put it.
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2009, 01:24:21 AM »
I have seen deer freeze at the first shot too, but by the time the cycling noise alerts them to danger (if it even does) there's already another one one the way...  ;)
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2009, 03:16:14 PM »
I have seen deer freeze at the first shot too, but by the time the cycling noise alerts them to danger (if it even does) there's already another one one the way...  ;)
2nd nature.  My pump is cycled as part of recoil.  REady to go before I have reacquired the target.  As for oil...things get pretty thick at subzero temps and I'm pretty particular about what lubricates moving parts inside my guns.  Remoil, dry lube or something like that is all I use anymore.   Had a couple bad experiences with misfires and pheasants in my misspent youth.   ;D

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2009, 03:29:40 AM »
 Had a couple bad experiences with misfires and pheasants in my misspent youth.   ;D

Hey  mogwai, cycling the action is part of my "recoil-recovery" as well...the forearm comes back partially on it's own (sort of) at the shot.

Oh, and chasing pheasants doesn't seem to be mispent youth time in my book! There are a lot of worse things that kids can do...if more kids were involved in hunting there would probably be a lot less crime and/or drug use!
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2009, 03:03:46 AM »
Just an update on the 7400 I went with.  I took it out to the range yesterday and it seemed to work great.  The action cycled smoothly with no hint of a jam.  I was using regular Remington Core-Lokt 130gr. factory ammo.  As for grouping, I must admit that I just don't know about that yet.  I was met with the stark reality that shooting a .270 is not remotely the same as shooting the old .22 that I grew up with, so as of now my marksmanship is pitiful.  Looks like I will have to go through a couple of boxes of ammo just to get used to the kick and keep from flinching.  Oh well.

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2009, 08:31:50 AM »
Just an update on the 7400 I went with.  I took it out to the range yesterday and it seemed to work great.  The action cycled smoothly with no hint of a jam.  I was using regular Remington Core-Lokt 130gr. factory ammo.  As for grouping, I must admit that I just don't know about that yet.  I was met with the stark reality that shooting a .270 is not remotely the same as shooting the old .22 that I grew up with, so as of now my marksmanship is pitiful.  Looks like I will have to go through a couple of boxes of ammo just to get used to the kick and keep from flinching.  Oh well.

PAST recoil pad, or similar device will dampen recoil A BUNCH.

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2009, 02:25:00 AM »
I guess I am just an old well toughened shooter.  I find my 30-06 7400 to be a very mild recoiling rifle.  I would search the forum here to get info on floating the forearm before I shot the rifle a lot.
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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2009, 03:21:44 AM »
Trust me, I have no complaint at all with the rifle.  As far as I know it has a relatively mild recoil.  This season will be my first serious foray into deer hunting/ The squirrel and racoon that I have hunted all my life never needed more than my old .22 or a .410 with light shot.  At 34 I'm getting into the game a little late.  But better late than never.  ;D

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 11:29:58 AM »

Gunrookie,

   Make sure that your scope is not mounted too high.  If it is, then any rifle will pound you from the bench.

   Then, make sure that you cheek has a tight weld point against the comb of the stock.  If for some reason it does not, then buy a tie on leather cheek or comb piece to raise it to a snug point of contact.

    And finally, when you shoot a hunting rifle from the bench, you have to learn to hold onto the rifle really tight, while simultaneously relaxing the rest of your body.  You can't just cradle the rifle in your hands like a .22.

    And finally finally, your rifle will kick twice as hard when you shoot it from a bench, than when you stand up and fire it from your shoulder.  If your rifle range will allow it, then stand up and fire a few rounds from your rifle off-hand, and you will see that it is not half as bad.

    If after all this you still find the recoil too stout, then as suggested by a previous post, buy a good high quality recoil pad, like the Pachmeyer Decelerator, or a Kick-Eez, or a Limbsaver, and have it installed by a gunsmith.  A good pad can soak up as much as 40% of the felt recoil energy!

   33 is not old at all!  We have folks that are 80 years old that are still rifle hunting every year.

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2009, 05:45:00 AM »
Mannyrock,

Thanks for your solid advice.  I did try a shot or two from a kneeling position, and you are correct, the kick was much less noticable. 

It's nice to know that at 34 I'm not too old to get started with the sport :)

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2009, 06:36:48 AM »
DearMeadowFarn........Your father sir must have gotten one of the very few good Remington model 742 rifles back in those days. Most gun shops and dealers around me, will NOT even take one in on a trade.

Bye the way, I VOTE for the 7600 Remmy also, in spades.

I had a new one back in the 60's and it was the JAMMING Session of the woods period. Not to mention Remington putting the wrong iron sights on the barrel...Dah! Yeah, the barrel was bad also and then I was given great advice: TRADE the blessed piece of junk!!! I did so and ended up with a Belgium Browning in a .300 Win mag, the best out of the box factory rifle I ever have owned period.

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Re: Remington 7400 vs. 7600
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2009, 07:24:41 AM »
I've owned a 740, 2 742's and now a 7400. Had no trouble with any of them but I am smart enough to maintain an autoloader.
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