Winchester 680 Powder

[sirgknight]

Anyone know where I can find the load data for this powder?

[cwlongshot]

I use to LOVE THIS POWDER!!!  I had a couple pounds and short it all up in my long colt in cowboy matches some years back.

 I have a bunch of old manuals, If I can remember to pull them I'll scan and post up the pages for you.

What calibers do you want to load it in?

CW

[skb2706]

Never take it for granted but I have been told by others that WW680 and AA1680 are the same. I would suggest you contact the people at Accurate Arms to confirm compatibility.

[quickdtoo]

The Lee 2nd edition manual lists W680 data, this powder burn rate chart includes obsolete powders.

Tim

http://home.hiwaay.net/~stargate/powder/powder.htm

[Graybeard]

All the old manuals from back in the day when it was offered have such data especially the little annual manuals put out by Winchester in those days and older Hodgdon manuals.

There is no currently made powder that is the same. Somewhat close BUT NOT the same. AA1680 is the most commonly recommended replacement for folks who used to use and love it. There is a surplus powder being sold that's close as well but I forget the number of it now. I think Lloyd uses it so he might chime in with the number of it.

[sirgknight]

Well, I have 8 lbs of H116 that I obtained from a cleanout sale.  I talked with Hodgdon Powder today and I was told that H116 was a surplus powder used for only two calibers:  M1 carbine and 7.62X39 Russian.  I was also told that H116 and WW680 were compatible powders and that I could use the load data for WW680.  I have talked with a couple of other "old timers" and found out that WW680 was an excellent powder for 357 Maximum and for 22 Hornet.  I would like to see all of the load data for 680.  I shoot an M1 carbine, but I will never use 8 lbs of powder for just that caliber.  Thanks for any info that you can provide.

[BCB]

I believe the surplus powder is WC-680.  I have used it in the past and the data that came with it said to use WIN-680 or AA-1680 data. 

I have had no problem with anything that I have loaded using that data.  What cartridges are you going to use it in and what boolit weight?

Good-luck...BCB

[sirgknight]

Right now the only caliber I'll load is M1 Carbine, but I'm trying to find out which other calibers can use this powder.  So far I've been told that it has been used with 22 Hornet, 357 Maximum, 45LC, 30-30 and 7.62X39 Russian, but I need the data sheet.  There very well may be other calibers too, I just don't know at this point.  I'm also trying a search on the AA1680, but I'm treading lightly and trying to collect all of the info that I can.  Thanks for your help.

[Graybeard]

Any application you find for AA1680 should be an acceptable application for W680. NOT on a grain for grain basis however. The powder you have tho I have no clue about.

[Ladobe]

I believe the surplus powder is WC-680.  I have used it in the past and the data that came with it said to use WIN-680 or AA-1680 data. 

Yep, that's it... WC680.    Still have an 8# jug of it left from the case I bought a few years ago.   I used it exclusively for my three 17 Ackley Hornets and five 22 Hornets (both pistol and rifle) for Digger Wars.   Built my loads up from AA1680 starting data.   Very consistant powder that I think I paid $54/8# for about 2003/4 from Hi-Tech.   At 5000+ rounds per jug it sure made for a lot of cheap sage rat shooting.   

*Forgot to add it worked well in the 221 Fireballs and 17M4's (seven more firearms).

[Lloyd Smale]

win 680 started out as a surplus powder. No differnt then any of its brothers H116, aa1680 and wc680. I use and have used them all about interchangeably. You can use loading data from AA for a reference but keep in mind that these surplus powder tend to vary lot to lot and you need to be careful. Use strating loads every time you switch from one to the other or even a lot no. change of the same powder. To me its hands down the best powder for 22 hornets or any real small rifle case.   i even  have used it in big pistol cases like the linebaughs with decent results. Keep in mind that its a ball powder and shouldnt be your first pick for reduced loads in bigger cases and because its a ball powder it can be a bit finiky for ignition so to get your best accuracy with it you will need to experiment with differnt primers to find the one that your gun likes the best at the level your shooitng. Ive seen especially in the honet where groups went from 3 inch to under an inch with just a switch in primers.

[Blackhawk44]

Sirg, back to your caliber list.  Forget the 45 Colt, 680 is too slow to be of any use there.  In the .30-30, 680 does not function well.  It builds pressure too quickly for full power loads.  For lighter plinking loads, 2400 and 4227 perform better at moderate pressures.  The rest of your list, however, are prime candidates for 680.

[Lone Star]

Forget the 45 Colt, 680 is too slow to be of any use there...

Clearly you've never tried it.       For years W680 was my silhouette powder in my Dan Wesson M45.  Shooting 300 LFN bullets at 1080 fps it grouped 2-3 moa at 200 meters. Burned reasonably clean at what seemed to be fairly mild pressures. 

Sadly, A-1680 is considerably slower than the lots of W680 I used and doesn't work well in the .45LC.  But in the .375 WCF, A-1680 is the 'best' powder hands down....


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[Lloyd Smale]

like was said its a bit slow for the 45 colt but felix the inventer of felix lube is a very knowlegable shooter and he swears by it in the 45 colt and 44 mag. You wont get top end velocity with it but it will run a bullet to 1100 fps without trouble in those cases.

[BCB]

There is an article in the most recent Handloader magazine concerning 1680 and it does mention 680...BCB