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Offline fox fire

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The difference in stones???
« on: October 14, 2009, 11:36:49 AM »
I apologize in advance, probably gonna  get a good rippin here.    But I got to ask, whats the difference between a Arkansas stone that you can work on a trigger with and a Arkansas stone you use to sharpen a knife with???                 I understand that ther are different shapes of stones that are used for specific jobs but I've got some good,very old whet rock that are slick as glass and the edges are very square and sharp,  ( ya'll know whats comin )  could these be used to do a simple trigger job???     
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Re: The difference in stones???
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 01:58:31 PM »
It may be possible to use the stone you have for some of the work but the sear work is normally done with a hard Arkansas stone. The four grades of these stones are Washita, soft Arkansas, hard Arkansas, and Black hard Arkansas... Hard Arkansas at least is the prefered stone for polishing sears and I really prefer the hard Black stones.. The object of stoning is to polish the engagement surfaces only removing very little metal.. I have heard opf people even using sand paper for some such work but the shapes needed are hard to develope using sandpaper even though super fine grits sizes are available.. I now use a set of ceramic stones from Brownells. They cut really well and leave a polished surface behind.. and they are flat.... When I started smithing I used India stones in very fine grades to polish sears. All stones are grades ropughly the same , grit size or cut and hardness and of course the material they are made of.. All the Arkansas stones are made of the same material.. The grit size gives an indication of the level of finish that can be developed with that particular stone. Hardness, gives an indication of the hardness of the material that can be worked on that stone while retaining the shape of the stone. The harder the stone the finer the angles that can be done with confidence. An engraver sharpens the very hard gravers he uses to cut hardened steel with using a synthetic ruby stone. These are sort of the nea plus ultra of the stone world. Ruby is very hard and almost never needs flattening unlike carbarendum(sp.) which gets swaybacked pretty quickly,.. Hope I've helped a bit.
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Re: The difference in stones???
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 03:55:05 PM »
HELPED IMMENSELY!!!   Thanx a bunch sure nuff,   I've been debating on breakin down and buyin me a set of stones but didnt have a clue as to which to buy, kinda been thinkin ceramic.    Like I said earlier I heard every one talkin Arkansas stone and was curios about the difference, have been slobberin at the mouth to start on a handi rifle but didnt want to mess it up figuered it mite be a good idea to ask some one who knows first.         As far as my amature status do you think that I'd be ok with the ceramic or would it be better to buy something else???           
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Re: The difference in stones???
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 03:32:08 AM »
I have a couple of ruby stones I got in a package deal long ago. They've been used for many years now and still are flat and perfect. If you want one they are sold by Gesswein, are stupid expensive but since they don't seem to wear at all are a pretty good investment. BTW, they will also sharpen carbide cutting tools.
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Re: The difference in stones???
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 01:20:04 PM »
Serious hard stuff aint it.   I been nosin around on Brownells, Numrichs and midway they've got sevral to pick from, probably go with the ceramic set for no more than what I need for now they sould be fine.  Maybe as I learn more types can be added.
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Re: The difference in stones???
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 08:42:19 AM »
Just remember the grain size gives an idea of the scratches produced thus the level of finish.. The hardness is a function of the binder and the material used to make the stone..whether man made or natural, a blurry bondary today..
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