Medicinal marijuana

[Questor]

I wouldn't smoke that stuff for fun, and I disapprove of its use. However, I have learned a thing or two over time about its value to cancer patients who are on chemotherapy. I  am convinced it is a good thing for them, and I strongly approve of it for that purpose. Of course it might be legal by now if it weren't for all the stoners, dweebs, and waste-oids that ruin it for everybody else. If I had cancer and needed chemotherapy I would want to give it a try.

[Redtail1949]

Well I definately do not want to leagalize drugs by any means. However, I have watched several family members as well as friends die of various cancers. They died a very unpleasant and painfull death in most cases. So I could let them smoke dope if it made them be able to bear the pain. I see no need for anyone to suffer in their last days with all the medicines as well as weed. No I would not object in that case.

[crustaceous]

Colorado legalized marijuana for medicinal purposes. There are at least three marajuana pharmacies in our area now. There are doctors that set up office in a hotel room and will give you a prescription for $275.00. Read a story of a doctor that made $50K in one day doing consultations. This is how it will be legalized.

[Redtail1949]

no doubt the medicianal purpose is nothing but a scam to have a dope shop on every corner and everyone will have a bad back.

[Graybeard]

Actually I think what you need if dying of cancer is to get your body's pH back to it's proper balance so that cancer cells cannot live and thus be cured quite naturally by the body's own defenses. It's a secret the medical profession doesn't want you knowing cuz they make BILLIONS annually by killing off folks via cancer and its treatment thru methods that work only a times but put more money in their pocket.

Besides those super rich folks who contol everything and want their one world government run of cource by then are the same folks making those big bucks on current cancer treatments.

[Badnews Bob]

It dosn't hafta be smoked to work they make it in pill form to and they control the dosage so your not getting "HIGH" on it, My Mom took the pills for glucoma but thats all I know about the subject.

[Questor]

GB:

What do you mean about pH? What imbalances the pH and what do we need to do to re-balance it? I've never heard of this.

[Questor]

I didn't know that. How can I learn more about this?

[Beers]

Cancer cells don't grow well or at all in an akaline body. The American common diet is totally acidifying.


..TM7

This is absolute garbage. The body maintains acid-base homeostasis. No amount of alkaline or acidic foods will change your body's pH levels.

The body's acceptable pH range is very small, it maintains pH between 7.35 and 7.45. Anything outside of this very narrow range is a very serious health problem in it's own right, we're talking coma and death if the proper balance cannot be restored.

All this pH balance crap is just a pseudo-scientific scam to bilk frightened people with nowhere else to turn out of even more money.

If cancer cells couldn't survive in an alkaline environment, intestinal and colon cancers wouldn't exist. The intestines and colon are some of the most highly alkaline environments in our bodies.

Don't waste your time Questor.

[Questor]

This is a good topic.

Personally, I like to see the science before making any decisions. I also realize that there is a growing movement in the medical community about alternative medicine and lifestyle. Both can complement each other. Both can be used to make good informed decisions.

The angle I approach this topic from is exemplified by the phenomenon of the Japanese, who have a low incidence of certain diseases while in Japan, but after adopting an American diet, the incidence of the diseases matches, approximately, that of the general population. We know that this is not a genetic phenomenon because of the correlation to diet, or perhaps lifestyle. It is these sorts of things that are worth learning from.

[beerbelly]

I think they should legalize all the dope! Not just Mary Jo. Sell it over the counter and tax the hell out of it. would make the government a ton of money.
   It would put the drug dealers out of business. If the dope heads kill them selves with it, the world will be a better place. I see it as a win, win deal.
                          Beerbelly

[ms]

I think they should legalize all the dope! Not just Mary Jo. Sell it over the counter and tax the hell out of it. would make the government a ton of money.
   It would put the drug dealers out of business. If the dope heads kill them selves with it, the world will be a better place. I see it as a win, win deal.
                          Beerbelly

I agree.

[Matt]

Cancer cells don't grow well or at all in an akaline body. The American common diet is totally acidifying.


..TM7

This is absolute garbage. The body maintains acid-base homeostasis. No amount of alkaline or acidic foods will change your body's pH levels.

The body's acceptable pH range is very small, it maintains pH between 7.35 and 7.45. Anything outside of this very narrow range is a very serious health problem in it's own right, we're talking coma and death if the proper balance cannot be restored.

All this pH balance crap is just a pseudo-scientific scam to bilk frightened people with nowhere else to turn out of even more money.

If cancer cells couldn't survive in an alkaline environment, intestinal and colon cancers wouldn't exist. The intestines and colon are some of the most highly alkaline environments in our bodies.

Don't waste your time Questor.

Bull$hit!!!!

You go right ahead and buy into whatever you would like to... I have seen the alkaline diet help many people and when combined with the Beck Protocol I have seen "incurable fast acting lung cancer" gone in only 3 days.

You go right on believing that PH has nothing to do with it.
Questor PM me if you want some info to do your own research.

Matt

[Beers]

Of course the "alkaline diet" is going to help people. All it amounts to is a healthy diet that *gasp* closely resembles the dietary guidelines published by the FDA. Good 'ol food pyramid... Imagine a diet high in healthy grains and veggies and low in fats and sugars helping people! Incredible!

You can go ahead and believe whatever you want. It's a medically verifiable fact that the body's pH maintains homeostasis between 7.35 and 7.45. That's all the range you get. No one outside of an ICU has "acidic" or "alkaline" blood. The body's pH balance is simply not variable to any significant degree.

Do try and bear in mind that correlation does not equal causation.

[Questor]

Beers:

I think this is one of those cases where we have to read between the lines. I don't know what the arguments are favoring pH and don't even know what's being suggested: Foods with a low pH or actually attempting to alter the pH of selected body tissues. I think it would be interesting to know what the science behind this alkaline diet is. If there isn't any, that usually indicates quackery afoot. Right now, I don't even understand the premise of it.

[jimster]

Years back a nurse told her story when she got cancer and was told to get her things in order.  She was a nurse, she knew the treatments, she knew what was in store for her.  Instead she got hold of some books, some of them from Asia, some from other places.  She totally changed her diet and meditated for so many hours each day.  She ate nothing that she ate before, forgot about some of the things she says was in her diet, but even the doctors where she worked were amazed when the tumor kept getting smaller and smaller and finally was gone.  All she did was change her diet and a lot of meditating/thinking, and nothing else.  She has a book on this I think, but it was a TV show where I remember this from.  Don't know what kind of cancer it was either.

There is something to this, don't know what...

[Siskiyou]

If people buy into the majority of current marijuana growers paying tax on their grow and sales they are kidding themselves. 

[Questor]

I recently read that the California marijuana crop has a greater cash value than the all of their legitimate crops combined. Now that's saying something.

[GH1]

 I don't hava a problem with marijuana at all, medicinal or recreational.  I think it's ironic how often times the folks that scream the loudest about the evils of marijuana think nothing of using alcohol everyday.  I've never heard of a guy coming home stoned & slapping the snot out of his wife or kids.  I also think marijuana laws are another example of the government interferring in our lives.  I certainly don't condone driving while stoned, or handling a weapon, or being stoned on the job, but if i want to sit in my recliner and unwind after work with a smoke it's really nobody's damned business.
GH1

[torpedoman]

no doubt the medicianal purpose is nothing but a scam to have a dope shop on every corner and everyone will have a bad back.

I have a fragmented disc in my  back and the dr said if i took the meds he prescribed to relieve the leg cramps and spasms i would not have a liver after 10 yrs.. however if i used a small amount of grass the cramps and spasms would go away. he was right it works great if used as a medicine when needed and not as a party drug the way some use it.

[williamlayton]

Well, it seems the way we approach control is working----NOT.
Drugs and abusers are age old--not new stuff.
In days before there were controls there was little stories of Cartels.
You cannot prevent abuses by legislation--only provide paperwork too report it.
making something illegal does not make it illegal.
Sometimes i think that folks who make laws should be made too smoke dope before they vote---maybe they would chill out a bit.
You can control until you go crazy and all you do is nothing.

Am I advocating smoking? Well that would be an easy answer for some but no, I am not. Folks tend to do what they want to do.
Blessings

[slim rem 7]

 william i totally agree.we need quit spending so much money stopping something that should be bringing in tax revenue at the abc stores..ive tried pot mabe three times .. whats the big deal.. don t argue its a gateway drug.. it would not be,, if it were sold in abc stores..
 i have made one observation ...its not the best thing for helping a fella give a d--...
 but mabe some need help chilling ...me ,,just put me in the woods watching what ever i can see.
thats all i need..
 i did drink at one time but quit when my habit went from 2 to 3 beers, a night ,,back in my 20s ..
 i had babies to buy for then..
     i sure can appreciate a good strait shot of burbon though ...
 umm.. but my wifes had a terrible experience with her first husband so to make her rest easy ,,,i let it pass me by..there are times ,,if im hurting that id sure love a couple o shots,, strait out the bottle..
sure would. slim
 ps there may come a time when she finally decides im so old ...i don t have time to become an alcohalic..
 we ll see.but im not holding my breath..  :)slim

[Questor]

I find the whole topic of drugs to be an awkward one with my children. I include alcohol as a drug. It's one thing when things that can be engaged in with relative safety in moderation are legal (like alcohol and marijuana). It's quite another thing when powerful drugs like LSD, opiates, and crack are legal. When things like that are a legitimate option, how is society to respond? Do we just go to Walmart and buy some LSD, trip for a week, and kill ourselves because of the powerful addictive effect of these things? If these more powerful drugs become legal now, what will usage be like in a generation or two, after it has become normal to have heroin available?

That, in a nutshell, is my concern about legalizing drugs.

It is cases like this where I agree with religions that proscribe even alcohol use. It makes the rules for living very easy to understand.

I don't believe that legalizing marijuana is necessarily a "slippery slope" that must lead to the legalization of powerful drugs that cannot be safely engaged in in moderation. I realize there a few heroin users who are not addicts, but we have to draw the line somewhere. Currently the line is drawn at alcohol. If the line is to be re-drawn, what should it be?

[Davemuzz]

I've read bit's 'n pieces of this post. I generally tend to stay away from these types of post because they just are what they are. Kind of academic discussions about subjects that perhaps the participants don't fully understand or comprehend. Now, I don't say that to call anyone "dumb". Believe me, there is a wealth of experience behind each poster on here....and I'm quite certain we could write a sizable book of knowledge if we were to undertake such a challenge.

However, I speak from a person who has MS. I was diagnosed with this damn disease 8 years ago. I had to quit work 4 years ago. Believe me, you all know people out there who do their best to try and get out of work. All I want to do is my work. If I could give up all of my assets and my current income for my health, I would. I'd make it all back in 10 years if God would give me that time.

My two biggest issues with this disease (among many....but I'll just list the top 2) are Fatigue, and Pain. Fatigue makes my days short. Very short. There are days that I simply cannot go anywhere because I'm exhausted. There are times when I must rest for 3 or 4 consecutive days before I can feel normal again. Pain....yeah, it's a constant. From my knees to my feet. Every day, every night. Always there. I can tell you that the mind will block it out to a certain extent. So will two double shots of Crown Royal!

But, Crown Royal can become addictive and destructive as time marches on. I do not and will not use marijuana as a source of pain relief. I like to think clearly and I don't think that marijuana will help that cause. I'm no hero because of that. It's just a personal choice.

I will have my Crown Royal drinks now and again. In social situations and what not.

However, don't condemn the person who is in constant pain for his choice. You have to walk the mile first!  I can tell you this disease is a bitch. Outside I may look normal but inside my body is giving me fits! I would not wish this on my worse enemy...well, except Bin Laden and his followers. Yeah.....no doubt those guys.

So....I'm saying just that. Don't be too critical of those who have a well documented disease. The "stuff" they say about it isn't made up. Yeah....fer sure.

Dave

[jimster]

There are all kinds of drugs in the world, everything from caffeine to booze, and harder stuff.
Far as pot goes, or anything else, they can legalize it all for all I care, if you have a small enough brain to take hard drugs of any kind that could hook you, you probably deserve to die from it.  Less people to support. When raising my kids I wasn't sure what to tell them about all these drugs, so I just told them almost everything is a drug including the sugar your dumping on your cereal, and anything done to excess, including drinking pop will not be good for your body, and I told them people get addicted to Mountain Dew and coke too...it's up to you to make sure everything you put in your body is in moderation, and even too much food can kill you.  That's what I told my kids.  Pot has been used for many years, it's nothing new.  If it fixes something medically or gets rid of a headache even, I say go for it, for crying out loud they will give you perscriptions for hard drugs that you can get hooked on, don't know why some people are so scared of pot.  I don't use it myself because I don't need to eat a bunch of food and go to sleep, and I enjoy being more alert,  and it's probably too expensive for me anyway.  I do enjoy a shot or two on Friday or Saturday of some booze sometimes,  I just make sure I stop after that, and that is enough to more than relax me. 

Too much of almost anything will be bad for you.  People should be in charge of making those calls for themselves, if they make the wrong call, they can die from it.  Outlawing stuff doesn't work anyways.
People sniff glue too...what you going to do, outlaw everything because some people can't control themselves? 

[swordfish]

If people smoked weed instead of drinking alcohol, there would be far less health, crime, and violence problems in the world.
Just sayin'....... not promotin'

[fr3db3ar]

I heard once...the reason why alcohol was legal and weed wasn't.  From the military point of view.

Alcohol makes you want to fight.....weed makes you mellow.

Just what I heard.

[Yankee1]

Hello All
    I am going to agree with Matt and TM7 on the cancer response to alkali.
 People wishing information may read this web-site.
http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/nacarbmapsyr.htm
Quite some time ago a good friend of mine told me about the Italian doctor that discovered the formula.
No one is making any money on this. You make it yourself at home in your kitchen. This is not a scheme.  Read it and evaluate yourself.
 I find it very interesting.
                                     Yankee1

[Fazak]

I've had cancer,...and I have no idea whether pot helps it or not. But if somebody passes a roach my way, I'll hit it just to be on the safe side,..

,..what the hell?

[gypsyman]

It's been around for thousands of years. It'll be around for thousands more,(or until 2012 if the world ends). Legalize it and make some tax money off it. Don't need to subsidize those farmers. Home use of pot isn't any different than sitting around drinking.  gypsyman