Author Topic: HOPPE'S BENCH REST 9® COPPER SOLVENT (Read 1138 times)

kjclark7 · « **on:** October 27, 2003, 01:35:07 PM »

has anyone use this product in their muzzleloaders. any info on it would be great. i know this stuff works great on my shotgun barrels, just wonder if its safe for muzzleloaders. i see that hoppes makes a #9 plus for blackpowder guns but i have the other stuff already. thanks guys.

kevin

rickyp · « **Reply #1 on:** October 27, 2003, 04:55:04 PM »

the best thing to use is just plain old very very hot hot water and a little dish soap. the hotter the better.

KYODE · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2003, 09:16:16 AM »

if you use sabots, be sure to use something that cuts plastic. shooters choice does for sure. benchrest copper solvent, i'm not sure, just read the bottle to see. you must remove platic fouling in the barrel from sabots, or accuracy will go quickly.

kjclark7 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:08:33 PM »

i am going to use the hot water treatment, not doing away with that. was going to use this stuff before the hot water to get most of the plastic fouling. i forget if it has it on the bottle or not, i'll have to check. hey what oil do you guys use in your encore barrels after cleaning to prevent rust??? thanks.

kevin

savageT · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:17:32 PM »

Quote from: kjclark7

i am going to use the hot water treatment, not doing away with that. was going to use this stuff before the hot water to get most of the plastic fouling. i forget if it has it on the bottle or not, i'll have to check. hey what oil do you guys use in your encore barrels after cleaning to prevent rust??? thanks.

kevin

Hey kj!
I'd use Ballistol or Breakfree clp....does it all!
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product/breakfre/breades/clp2.htm

kjclark7 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:19:37 PM »

i just went downstairs and the bottle says removes copper, lead, powder and plastic foulings fast. so i guess it takes out plastic.

kevin

rickyp · « **Reply #6 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:40:29 PM »

what you should do is use the hot water cleaning first to remove all powder then use thecHOPPE'S BENCH REST 9 to remove any plastic that was still in the barrel.after the good cleaning I use rem oil but when i have it i use eezox (spelling)

kjclark7 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:50:24 PM »

rick,

why would you say use the hot water and soap first then the hoppes? just wondering.

kevin

rickyp · « **Reply #8 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:55:10 PM »

the HOPPE'S BENCH REST 9 may not get all the salts and powder out. so use the hot water to desolve them and follow up with the hoppies and give it a light coat of oil

kjclark7 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:57:29 PM »

didnt u just contradict yourself, the first message you said hoppes first now this one you mean water first. i would think hoppes first then water to clean all that out after. then oil her up.
i am also thinking of getting the jb bore paste and bore bright for my barrel. any thoughts on this? and how do you use it correctly?

kevin

rickyp · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2003, 01:31:04 PM »

nope I didnt conterdict my self.

not all gun cleaners can or will remove the salts that are formed when you fire black powder. to clean a black powder correctuly and to prevent ursting you must use some to get rid of the salts the hot water and soap is the best and cheapest thaing to use then if you think you may still need to use the hoppies and then a light coat of oil.

The way I clean my barrels is. first I take them apart as much as i can
put all the small parts in an old plastic pill bottle filled with bearch wood casey's no 77 Black powder solvent and let them soak. then use a wet patch and run it trough the bore a few times then a dry one and another wet one, I then use a bronze brush and scrub the bore several times , then I run a nother wet patch and a few dry ones and make sure the bore is nice and dry then I use a light coat of rem oil or eezox when i have it.
then I scrub all the small parts with and old tooth brush dry and oil them and put it all back together.

The birchwood casey No 77 is nothing but water with pink soap in it. the only reason I am using it ,is because I was given a few 32 oz bottles.

I have never used the jb past,

kjclark7 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2003, 03:08:57 PM »

sorry, i read your post wrong...you didn't contradict yourself. thanks for all your info. so the way i am going to try is the hot water and soap. then hoppes#9 with a bronze brush. then a few dry patches to clean it up then put some oil down barrel. before all i did was hot water and soap then put bore butter down barrel to prevent rust. i want to find out about the jb stuff. thanks again.

kevin

rickyp · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2003, 03:15:30 PM »

the one thing about the oil is you must clean out the bore before you load it
What i do is run a few dry patches down the bore to get as much oil as i can then I go out side and fire a few primers / caps (1 uses #11 caps and the other uses 209) to try and burn the rest of the oil then run a nother dry patch and then load. I will then run a patch with a little bore butter or eezox down to the bullet.

to tell you the truth I have not yet to get any plastic buildup.

kjclark7 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2003, 04:18:25 PM »

well i have an encore and use tc sabots so i don't need to lube them with bore butter or anything like that. how critical is it to get out all the oil in the barrel. if i just run patches until it comes out clean, would that be good enough? thanks again for all the info. i'm new to this so thanks for your patience.

kevin

rickyp · « **Reply #14 on:** October 28, 2003, 04:25:39 PM »

you must get all the oil out. if you do not get it all out it can fowl the powder and make it not go boom when you need it to.

I use the bore butter after I load the bullet and powder. It is just to put a light coat ahead of it to portect the bore from rusting if it should get damp

kjclark7 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 28, 2003, 04:26:48 PM »

you put the bore butter in with a sabot bullet which needs no lube???

rickyp · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2003, 04:30:05 PM »

no i load the sabot normal then once it is seated I will run a patch with a little bore butter just down to the sabot/bullet this is just to put a light coat of bore butter in the barrel to protect it from rusting during the hunt.

KYODE · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2003, 04:58:41 PM »

i've seen more than one muzzleloader's accuracy go to pot from plastic fouling. you can't see it in the bore either. a buddy lost all accuracy on a knight bk92. he tried everything before contacting knight. they suggested shooters choice to get the plastic out. it worked, and accuracy came back. this was years ago, and i've seen it since then also.
to the best of my knowledge, JB's bore paste is for removing copper fouling in rifle barrels, and you shouldn't need it in BP firearms.

kjclark7 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2003, 05:03:22 PM »

i've heard and read i guess that the jb stuff is like laping the barrel of your gun. that it takes out the little burrs in the barrel. don't know how true it is though.

rick you don't think you compromise accuracy when using bore butter with a sabot? what kind of gun do you have?

kevin

SingleShotShorty · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2003, 04:02:57 AM »

I clean mine with hot soapy water, clean hot water rinse, then MEK to be sure all plastic fouling is removed, then finally a good oil patch. :-D

Leon Garfield · « **Reply #20 on:** October 29, 2003, 02:48:34 PM »

The Hoppes no 9 is good stuff I use it all the time in my rilfes. Just one thing you should get some nylon brushes for the no 9 eats the bronze ones up.....

kjclark7 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 29, 2003, 03:14:15 PM »

the stuff is that potent that it eats up the bronze brushes? you think just running patches of the stuff would work alright with a jag? i dont know if i ever saw a nylon brush.

rickyp · « **Reply #22 on:** October 29, 2003, 03:51:35 PM »

No I dont think i am hurting accuracy much by using the bore butter. It is just a very light coat in front of the sabot and bullet ( run a patch with a little on it one time) . it is only to help keep it from rusting during the hunt.
I have 2muzzle loaders
one is a custom 14 inch 209x50 bullberry contender barrel in S.S. and the other is a Knight lk93

kjclark7 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 29, 2003, 05:03:28 PM »

the only reason why i ask if it hurts accuracy is that the sabots say that no lube should be used, nothing should be in the barrel. but i do understand why you do use it during the hunt. what sabots do you shoot?
before i go hunt i take out the bore butter i have in the barrel, but i guess that a little bit stays in that i don't realize.

kevin

rickyp · « **Reply #24 on:** October 29, 2003, 05:07:53 PM »

I use two different ones
for my knight i use the knight black sabots with 300 gr bullets and for the 209x50 is a orange bulk sabot I got off ebay.