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The next culture war
« on: September 29, 2009, 04:36:41 PM »
The Next Culture War
by DAVID BROOKS
Published: September 28, 2009

Centuries ago, historians came up with a classic theory to explain the rise and decline of nations. The theory was that great nations start out tough-minded and energetic. Toughness and energy lead to wealth and power. Wealth and power lead to affluence and luxury. Affluence and luxury lead to decadence, corruption and decline.

“Human nature, in no form of it, could ever bear prosperity,” John Adams wrote in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, warning against the coming corruption of his country.

Yet despite its amazing wealth, the United States has generally remained immune to this cycle. American living standards surpassed European living standards as early as 1740. But in the U.S., affluence did not lead to indulgence and decline.

That’s because despite the country’s notorious materialism, there has always been a countervailing stream of sound economic values. The early settlers believed in Calvinist restraint. The pioneers volunteered for brutal hardship during their treks out west. Waves of immigrant parents worked hard and practiced self-denial so their children could succeed. Government was limited and did not protect people from the consequences of their actions, thus enforcing discipline and restraint.

When economic values did erode, the ruling establishment tried to restore balance. After the Gilded Age, Theodore Roosevelt (who ventured west to counteract the softness of his upbringing) led a crackdown on financial self-indulgence. The Protestant establishment had many failings, but it was not decadent. The old WASPs were notoriously cheap, sent their children to Spartan boarding schools, and insisted on financial sobriety.

Over the past few years, however, there clearly has been an erosion in the country’s financial values. This erosion has happened at a time when the country’s cultural monitors were busy with other things. They were off fighting a culture war about prayer in schools, “Piss Christ” and the theory of evolution. They were arguing about sex and the separation of church and state, oblivious to the large erosion of economic values happening under their feet.

Evidence of this shift in values is all around. Some of the signs are seemingly innocuous. States around the country began sponsoring lotteries: government-approved gambling that extracts its largest toll from the poor. Executives and hedge fund managers began bragging about compensation packages that would have been considered shameful a few decades before. Chain restaurants went into supersize mode, offering gigantic portions that would have been considered socially unacceptable to an earlier generation.

Other signs are bigger. As William Galston of the Brookings Institution has noted, in the three decades between 1950 and 1980, personal consumption was remarkably stable, amounting to about 62 percent of G.D.P. In the next three decades, it shot upward, reaching 70 percent of G.D.P. in 2008.

During this period, debt exploded. In 1960, Americans’ personal debt amounted to about 55 percent of national income. By 2007, Americans’ personal debt had surged to 133 percent of national income.

Over the past few months, those debt levels have begun to come down. But that doesn’t mean we’ve re-established standards of personal restraint. We’ve simply shifted from private debt to public debt. By 2019, federal debt will amount to an amazing 83 percent of G.D.P. (before counting the costs of health reform and everything else). By that year, interest payments alone on the federal debt will cost $803 billion.

These may seem like dry numbers, mostly of concern to budget wonks. But these numbers are the outward sign of a values shift. If there is to be a correction, it will require a moral and cultural movement.

Our current cultural politics are organized by the obsolete culture war, which has put secular liberals on one side and religious conservatives on the other. But the slide in economic morality afflicted Red and Blue America equally.

If there is to be a movement to restore economic values, it will have to cut across the current taxonomies. Its goal will be to make the U.S. again a producer economy, not a consumer economy. It will champion a return to financial self-restraint, large and small.

It will have to take on what you might call the lobbyist ethos — the righteous conviction held by everybody from AARP to the agribusinesses that their groups are entitled to every possible appropriation, regardless of the larger public cost. It will have to take on the self-indulgent popular demand for low taxes and high spending.

A crusade for economic self-restraint would have to rearrange the current alliances and embrace policies like energy taxes and spending cuts that are now deemed politically impossible. But this sort of moral revival is what the country actually needs


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/opinion/29brooks.html?_r=2&hp


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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 11:08:48 PM »
  yep ,,think so..

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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 02:00:49 AM »
Sounds good, hope I live long enough to see it. Have to make it thru the race/class war coming first. gypsyman
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 08:08:14 AM »
A solid return to the protestant work ethic. Every person will work dilligently all his life and recieve his reward in the afterlife.
Oath Keepers: start local
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An economic crash like the one of the 1920s is the only thing that will get the US off of the road to Socialism that we are on and give our children a chance at a future with freedom and possibility of economic success.
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everyone hears but very few see. (I can't see either, I'm not on the corporate board making rules that sound exactly the opposite of what they mean, plus loopholes) ear
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 08:58:45 AM »
If a man shall not work, neither shall he eat.
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 10:19:36 AM »
unless he can vote himself a free ride !
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 11:09:55 AM »
Opinion Yes thats what that is opinion.  You don't think that the Federal Reserve ( what a misnomer that is) had anything to do with the economic situation at present? High taxation and interest rates are a large part of the problem.  Say you put 10.00 in a box and guard it 24 hours a day for ten years. Then when you take it out it will not buy any where near what it used to.  Why? because the value has been dropped because they printed so much more paper money.
As long as the Federal Reserve can print more paper money they can make the dollars you earn worth less.  It is the responsibility of the congress to regulate the money supply yet they decline their responsibility. They have a great scheme going for them. When they really screw things up they can blame it on the people.
At the present time the value of our money is supposed to be a reflection of our GNP.  Great! Then we ship jobs out of the country as fast as we can and wonder why our money is worth less.
Well no problem. We will just lay a guilt trip on the people and they will think its all their fault and they will be quiet.
Well now you have heard another opinion.
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 11:42:44 AM »
Yankee1, I don't exhonerate the role of the Fed in any of this, but there is still truth in the claim that we the people have become increasingly selfish, and more likely to go into debt for instant gratification than generations prior. If we don't make it through this with a serious gut check on personal responsibility, we're no better off, and we deserve to go the way of the dodo.
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 11:59:18 AM »
Yankee1, I don't exhonerate the role of the Fed in any of this, but there is still truth in the claim that we the people have become increasingly selfish, and more likely to go into debt for instant gratification than generations prior. If we don't make it through this with a serious gut check on personal responsibility, we're no better off, and we deserve to go the way of the dodo.

Exactly Right!!!
To many people today have the "keep up with the Jones's syndrome"  Or the "I want it so I'm going to buy it syndrome"
No economical personal responsibility= personal debt.
You know, like people that make 30,000 a year and try to make payments on a $200,000 home. 
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 01:49:08 AM »
One problem is the fed res creates money , the fed govt. printers print it . Not the same thing . When a local bank deposits 10 dollars in the fed res then it can lend 100 dollars as the requirement is 10% security deposited with the fed to borrow and lend money . So 90 dollars just showed up on paper with no backing and nothing printed . It is a loan for a new home etc. all on paper . So the banks have been making money on loand with only a 10% investment . JUST WHO DOES THE FR PROTECT ?
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Re: The next culture war
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 04:14:25 PM »
I think that the next culture war will be to remove God from our lives and substitute what ever floats your boat. We are paying for it now in our prisions where prisoners are actively recruited to join muslim groups.
The future terrorist is being payed for with your tax dollars, even if they are getting worth less everyday.
The muslim religion does not tolerate any other religion at all. The rest of us christians are considered heathens and are to be converted or exterminated.
While I'm willing to take a certain amount of blame for this because of apathy, even though I always voted, thats what I voted for was people to represent me in congress. Not their own agenda.
The Brookings institute and other think tanks can't be trusted either. Yet, these are the people who actually write the garbage for our congressmen to make into law. The system is flawed. Those with the gold call the shots.

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