Author Topic: Why no single shots in .35 Remington?? Any ideas?? (Read 2854 times)

mannyrock · « **on:** September 19, 2009, 02:54:07 PM »

Dear Guys,

I am dumbfounded by the fact that nobody makes, and apparently nobody has ever made, a single shot rifle of any type in .35 Remington. It would seem to me to be an instant success. What gives? Any ideas?

Regards,
Mannyrock

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2009, 03:38:54 PM »

H&R was gonna make one for the Mississippi primitive deer hunters, but not enough distributors pre-ordered them and they canceled the run, they might revive it if there's enough interest, but I think the 35 Whelen removed that plan. They did make 200 more 35 Whelens which sold out in a couple weeks just a couple weeks ago. An H&R 357Mag Handi makes a nice rechamber to 35 Rem.

Tim

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2009, 04:53:42 PM »

WRONG! TC has made plenty of them in .35 Remington and still do I believe. You can have a Contender or Encore chambered to it.

ctrout · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:47:12 PM »

My Contender G2 is chambered in 35 Rem. It's a pistol though.

heavybullets · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:47:07 AM »

Maybe, because the cartridge just doesn't do the deed for enough hunters any more.
I , a couple of years ago , put together a 358WSM--250 gr bullet@ 2740fps (338 mag equal).
With the 358 win around as well as several other wildcats the ole 35 rem is only still alive because of the east coast lever gun
people, whose number are sufficient to keep it on life support!!
Don't get defensive now, the 35 rem was my first real rifle cartridge about 300 years ago
if we are going to make holes in animals, to feed ourselves, they deserve to be killed quickly

Swampman · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:52:22 AM »

IMO it isn't a great choice for single shot rifles. T/C does make(or has made) their pistol with a rifle stock & a long barrel. H&R probably would if there was money in it. Single shot cartridges really need a rim.

heavybullets · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2009, 09:01:10 AM »

Swampman is correct
I shoot a 45-100 sharps and a 9.3 x74R in my Encore
The 358WSM is in a M70 with a claw extractor
In a single shot, as any type of firearm, positive extraction should be at the top of the list.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2009, 03:22:36 AM »

Well there currently aren't any bolts, pumps or autos in .35 Rem either, although some of each have been made in the past. I guess they just didn't sell enough to interest manufacturers in continued production. The .35 Rem has always had a certain cult following, a vocal but small minority.
As to singleshots needing rimmed rounds, that is more traditional than necessary, many modern singleshots provide more positive extraction than do most repeaters. Even the crude little H&R sells far more rimless calibers than rimmed.

Swampman · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:31:04 AM »

And they are the ones that usually give trouble if the questions related to head space problems are an indication.

mannyrock · « **Reply #9 on:** September 22, 2009, 04:47:25 AM »

Hey QuickTDoo (Tim),

The picture of the .35 Remington handi-rifle you posted is EXACTLY what I was thinking off. I love the straight grip and the schnable forearm.

Would you please quickly outline the major steps you went through to come up with this? Did you send it off to someone to have it chambered to .35 Rem? Do you have any extraction problems, inasmuch as its rimless? What was the total cost start to finish?

Best Regards,

Mannyrock

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** September 22, 2009, 05:50:08 AM »

The barrel started out as a standard 357mag Handi, someone before me rechambered it to 357Max, it shot Dan Wesson ammo good on one of my frames, but I never shot it again for a couple years, then I got the idea from MSP Ret to have it rechambered to 35 Rem, sent it off to Wayne York of Oregunsmithing who is now a GBO sponsor, I think he charged me $85 to rechamber it, he charges a bit less for repeat customers, he's done a bunch of work for me, I did the rimless ejector conversion which is in the FAQs in the H&R forum. Last year I bought a stock set from db22 in the H&R classifieds here, he did an excellent job reshaping and refinishing it, the pistol grip stocks can be reshaped to straight grip, there's a link to a thread on that in the FAQs too.

This year I converted it to an extractor and mounted a Weaver V7 in lapped extra low Burris rings, the hammer had been modified with a M94 hammer extension a couple years ago to allow a low mounted scope, that's covered in the FAQs too. I've shot 200gr Mt Baldy at 2240fps and 240gr Beartooth at 2000fps both with Varget, I have 180gr SSPs loaded up using Layne Simpson's Super 35 Rem data, but haven't shot them yet, that's next. I just learned recently that the twist rate isn't the standard 1:18¾", but is actually 1:15½" which I confirmed after another member checked his and asked about it, apparently H&R had changed it sometime in the past and kept it a secret!

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,148198.msg1098612713.html#msg1098612713

http://home.earthlink.net/~oregunsmithing/

coyotejoe · « **Reply #11 on:** September 23, 2009, 01:04:54 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 21, 2009, 08:31:04 AM

And they are the ones that usually give trouble if the questions related to head space problems are an indication.

Now why would headspace be more of a problem for a singleshot than for a repeater? And why would it be more of a problem with a rimless case than a rimmed? All breech loading firearms have to be set up with correct headspace whether it be singleshot, revolver or machine gun. The fact that very few rimmed cartridges have been introduced since 1900 would seem to indicate that rimless cases are considered to be rather reliable.

Nobade · « **Reply #12 on:** September 23, 2009, 03:06:41 PM »

Something I have done with contenders, and would also work well with the Handi rifle, is to make it a 35 remington rimmed. You make brass from 30-40 Krag, just use a form and trim die and then full length size and final trim to length. This allows you to use light loads without creating excessive headspace like regular 35 rem cases will do. You also get much better extraction and it's easier to yank the case out of the chamber. All you have to do is put in a rim cut and reshape the extractor, and you can still use rimless cases if you want to, with the spring type extractor. Works slick!

Drugstore Cowboy · « **Reply #13 on:** September 27, 2009, 03:12:16 PM »

Had a 35 Rem 40 years ago in a 760 Rem. A bit more up todate I've added a G2 in 30/40 krag, it's all I need for deer.

mannyrock · « **Reply #14 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:43:50 PM »

OK, I'm the original poster, and I'll ask a stupid follow up question.

Couldn't I just buy a Remington Rolling Block No. 4, 1902 Model, in 7x57, and just have someone rebarrel it to .35 Remington??? I doubt that the pressure between the two cartridges is much different (but I haven't checked).

I think I read somewhere that it use to be fairly common for people to have rolling blocks rebarreled to other cartridges.

All advice, opinions, are welcome.

Mannyrock

Nobade · « **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:47:57 PM »

No!!!!!

You could, however, do that with a #5 rolling block. Smokeless action, extractor that will work on a rimless case.

The #4 is a tiny boy's rifle, black powder or rimfire only.

mannyrock · « **Reply #16 on:** September 29, 2009, 05:55:49 AM »

Thanks.

(Sorry, . . . I mean't a No. 5 action.)

OK. So how hard would it be to do??

Where in the world would I find a barrel, with the right type of threads, and in .35 Rem, for a No. 5 Rolling Block?

Or maybe, the original barrel could just be rechambered and re-bored to .35??

Regards,

Mannyrock

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** September 29, 2009, 06:11:42 AM »

GBO sponsor Wayne York does reboring, I've had a couple barrels done, he does good work, but it ain't cheap, plan on $300 or so.

Tim

http://home.earthlink.net/~oregunsmithing/id9.html

Nobade · « **Reply #18 on:** September 29, 2009, 02:20:50 PM »

Don't think you could do a rebore on one, 7X57 is bigger at the base than 35 Rem. Why not just have a good gunsmith fit a new barrel? You might talk to Lone Star, they're the rolling block gurus. He'd know if this was a good idea and could do the work if you wanted.

mannyrock · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2009, 04:43:32 PM »

Sounds good, but, who is Lonestar?

And, if that ends up being too expensive, then my back-up plan for a single shot .35 Remington is to buy a Remington Model 7400 autoloader (most of them are single shots anyway), in .358 Winchester, and have somebody just handload some weak loads for me, in the .35 Remington range. :-)

Regards,

Mannyrock

Nobade · « **Reply #20 on:** September 30, 2009, 01:54:35 AM »

http://www.lonestarrifle.com/

coyotejoe · « **Reply #21 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:33:37 AM »

Wow, them puppies ain't cheap. If I absolutely HAD to have a singleshot in .35 Rem I think I'd go with Tim's suggestion, get a .357 mag rechambered, which should cost less than 100 bucks.

mannyrock · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:48:23 AM »

Yes Coyote, I am drooling over Tim's rifle. It is EXACTLY what I would like to have.

I believe I could send a .357 mag barrel off for rechambering, no sweat there.

I am good with woodworking, and have access to cabinet making power and hand-tools, so I believe that if I am patient, I could create a staight grip stock and reshape the forestock. (And if I messed up, I would just buy a new set.)

BUT, what's got me scared is this conversion of ejector/extractor to a rimless version, that would fit the .35 Remington, and would work every time. Except for filing, grinding, etc., I have no abilities in metal working, and no access to complex tools, so getting this part right would be my big fear. I would not want to end up with a rifle that has an "aggravation" like an inconsistent extractor. I would have to find someone competent to do this, and then hope for the best. That'ss what has me a little spooked.

Regards, Mannyrock

quickdtoo · « **Reply #23 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:30:36 PM »

On a current production barrel there would be no issues, just swap the extractor out for a 30-06 family extractor from H&R for about $10 plus $10 shipping and you're good to go. An ejector is easy to do, I did mine on a drill press, I think MSP did his with a hand drill, just order the lift button from Brownell's or make one from a nail, it's all covered in the FAQs in the H&R Centerfire forum, any competent gunsmith could do it too, I'd have it done when you get it rechambered, it's exactly not rocket science!!

Tim