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problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« on: October 15, 2009, 04:27:49 PM »
This is the second loading on these cases I have trimed them to the proper length and full length sized them. while I was seating the bullets I noticed that some seated very easy.the neck tension doesn't seem uniform. This is the first time that I've had this problem. Thank you
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 07:43:37 PM »
My 8x57 had that problem. Gave me fits as I was slow to put it together with an accuracy problem I was having. I finally tumbled and borrowed a new sizing die from my local trading post. It solved the problem and I bought the new die. The old sizing die wasn't "old", it was just cut oversized. Brass with thick necks got sized proper and brass with thin necks were left large and the bullets would slip in the neck.

May not be your problem, but I would borrow a 30-06 die from a buddy and try it. Can't hurt..

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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 03:06:07 AM »
Thank you Sweetwater
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 04:16:40 AM »
Or you could outside neck turn the brass. Make them all the same thickness. Pain in the butt, but it's a one time thing to do. Just depends on how much you want to get into it. Or, Redding and Hornady both make neck sizing dies with bushings. Mike the outside of a loaded round, or make up a dummy round with the bullet in it,(preferable the one with the thinnest brass), and subtract .003 for the bushing. gypsyman
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 05:10:03 AM »
Is it mixed brass?
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 09:39:58 AM »
the brass I seem to be having problems is winchester, the remington and federal seem to be fine. some of the cases are barley dragging on the expander ball. I'm using redding dies that have only loaded about 400 rounds.my shell holder is a #3 rcbs is this causing my problems
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 01:12:49 PM »
It may or may not be a problem in your gun. Take some of them that seated the eaiset and some that seated the hardest out and group them. That is the only way you will know for sure.
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 02:52:48 PM »
sweetwater
you were dead on with your advice.Problem solved it was my sizer die. Thank you
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 06:37:54 PM »
Quote from: sturgeonhunter on October 16, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
sweetwater
you were dead on with your advice.Problem solved it was my sizer die. Thank you

Glad my experience worked for you. I've had Redding dies with problems (that wasn't what my 8x57 die was) and they were great to deal with.

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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2009, 02:11:52 AM »
i don't wanna pick on lee, but my problem like this was my lee die.

i have bought nothing but rcbs since then and no problems whatsoever.
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2009, 03:24:30 AM »
Never had a problem with Redding dies. For that matter, never had a problem with Lee dies. Just need to have some extra decapping pins around for RCBS and Redding dies. I'm sure they all turn out a faulty one noe and then. All the OP needed was a smaller expanding ball. Not really a faulty die.
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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2009, 11:38:21 AM »
Quote from: Savage on October 18, 2009, 03:24:30 AM
Never had a problem with Redding dies. For that matter, never had a problem with Lee dies. Just need to have some extra decapping pins around for RCBS and Redding dies. I'm sure they all turn out a faulty one noe and then. All the OP needed was a smaller expanding ball. Not really a faulty die.
Savage

I respectfully disagree. I thought the same thing when I had the problem, so I took the expander ball out and just ran the cases through the sizer. The cases at fault still would not hold a bullet, therefore the sizer was not bringing the necks down far enough. Nothing to do with the expander ball at all, as it wasn't present.
The new sizer solved the problem for me and apparently for the OP.

I had two dies from Redding with issues. One they fixed and the other they replaced. Very good to deal with. Never had a problem with Pacific or RCBS dies. Extra decapping pins in both sizes are a must.....

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Re: problems with uniform neck tension in th 30-06
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2009, 12:23:39 PM »
Quote from: Sweetwater on October 18, 2009, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: Savage on October 18, 2009, 03:24:30 AM
Never had a problem with Redding dies. For that matter, never had a problem with Lee dies. Just need to have some extra decapping pins around for RCBS and Redding dies. I'm sure they all turn out a faulty one noe and then. All the OP needed was a smaller expanding ball. Not really a faulty die.
Savage

I respectfully disagree. I thought the same thing when I had the problem, so I took the expander ball out and just ran the cases through the sizer. The cases at fault still would not hold a bullet, therefore the sizer was not bringing the necks down far enough. Nothing to do with the expander ball at all, as it wasn't present.
The new sizer solved the problem for me and apparently for the OP.

I had two dies from Redding with issues. One they fixed and the other they replaced. Very good to deal with. Never had a problem with Pacific or RCBS dies. Extra decapping pins in both sizes are a must.....

Regards,
Sweetwater

Yep, you're correct it could be the die dimensions. I've not run across that problem myself, but have had to turn down the expander ball a couple thousands to correct neck tension. In your case you definitely had an out of spec die. Good job solving the problem! Thanks for the correction.
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