Author Topic: coydogs (Read 2916 times)

jamaldog87 · « **on:** August 19, 2009, 06:38:47 AM »

have you ever killed or seen a coydog?

jlchucker · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2009, 08:49:45 AM »

Seen them, never killed one. Scroungy-looking critters. Sly, too. They tend to keep their distance from humans. I've never killed one because I never took the time to hunt for them. A neighbor killed a big one a few years back--in the woods by the swamp behind his house.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2009, 10:56:06 AM »

$:-\$ Never saw one here in the west..... $:-\$ It might be tough to decide if it were a dog or coyote. One seldom sees dogs out in coyote country, when I do it takes me by surprise.

Usually, there are folks near by.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2009, 11:04:55 AM »

We were going to breed some coydogs a few years ago with a coyote pup we caught. My friend got called up to Iraq so we scrapped the idea and put the coyote down.

I have heard though that if you have dog in a coyote it will have a curl in the tail.

Would have been interesting to breed the coyote down to 1/4 with a beagle and also try it with a lab too.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #4 on:** August 19, 2009, 11:12:42 AM »

Billy, what did you guys plan to do with these pups had the project proceeded?

I know very little about these creatures. Stray dogs in this country count the same as coyotes, but I don't harm dogs unless they are dangerous or running game. Even then it is something I would rather leave to someone else. $:-\$

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2009, 11:20:10 AM »

Friend had one as a Pet it was 1/2 Beagle and 1/2 Coyote.
strange little dog. Did not like kids and got to go live on the "farm".

billy_56081 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2009, 11:31:30 AM »

We were thinking they might make a decent hunting dog. I was thinking get em to 1/4 to tame em a bit as they do with wolves. We looked into doing it with a red fox but they cannot cross with a dog as they have a different number of chromazones.

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2009, 04:52:53 AM »

I have seen coydogs pups for sell and pet foxs too. I would get a pet fox anyday but i just don't trust a coyote.

a4beltfed2000 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2009, 04:47:19 AM »

Coydogs or hybrid wolves do not make good guard dogs, house pets, or hunting companiions,I wouldn't call them dangerous per say, however they do play rough, with each other or humans, you do not want to rough house them as they will play harder than you can. they are very loyal and compassionate, but you have to remain in control of them and hold the alpha status, if dealing with more than one you WILL be challenged for the alpha role, also if you do not have them fixed, before they go into heat (around 2 years of age) they may develope winter wolf syndrom, which is a change in horomones due to the female going into heat, and usually the male becomes agressive toward anyone that trys to approach her They are two timid, shy and unpredictable to know what they are going to do running loose. They will hunt but it usually involves the neighbors cats, chickens, deer ect.... containment of them is very difficult and expensive and you had better have room for them to run. They usually are not aggressive but will fear bite, esp when cornered.

Normal chain link fencing will not contain them, you must have at least 8ft fencing with a 30 degree angled topper creating a 10.5 ft fence and a 4 foot dig guard, also we use 3 hot wires (electric fencing) to keep them from approaching the fence or trying to climb out. corners of the fence must be angled at 30 degrees to keep them from using it as a latter to climb out. They will listen to the electric fence for the pluse to see if it is on...I could go on and on about things they do....

TRUST me guys, we have dealt with these guys for years and you don't want to deal with it.

Most vets will not work on either of them because of the fact that there is no guarantee that rabies vacs. will work on them as they are not a typical dog. We have a mobil vet they comes to our place to work on them and they have to be traquilzed before they will even touch them.

The one pictured here is a wolf dog, he easily jumps 6 ft fencing, kills anything animal that gets near him and has been known to hide good enough to capture a bird that landed to close to him. all they do is stalk things and can climb low branches in trees, they will wait all day at the bottem of the tree for something to come down.(squirrels)
Fox are fun pets, but are very destructive in the house,and they are very good carriers of diseases.
We have done animal rescues for the county and state for 3 years and deal with things like this daily,learn from our experiences. PLEASE!
We have almost a acre of 10 ft fencing and with a 4 ft dig guard, and we still have to watch things closely,if they can get out they will find a way,although we have yet to loose anything yet, things happen.....

trotterlg · « **Reply #9 on:** September 02, 2009, 06:20:47 PM »

I had heard that in Russia they had crossed Hyeinnas with dogs and then down to 1/4 Hyeinna to get a managable bomb or drug sniffing "dog". Could be slightly off on the facts, but it was a purpose built animal. Larry

billy_56081 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2009, 01:20:45 AM »

Larry I am quite sure hyena as a hyena is not a canine and is not in any way similar genetically. I would be much like trying to cross a cat and dog.

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2009, 04:41:51 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on September 03, 2009, 01:20:45 AM

Larry I am quite sure hyena as a hyena is not a canine and is not in any way similar genetically. I would be much like trying to cross a cat and dog.

there in the Suborder Feliformia (cat-like" carnivores, also Feloidea)are a suborder within the order Carnivora and includes cats (large and small), hyenas, mongooses, civets and related taxa. I don't know if it could be done, i seen thing i didn't think could happen and they did.

i did find this: Q: Okay, so could a hyena cross with either a cat or a dog and produce offspring?

A: No way! In order to produce offspring, even sterile ones, the parents have to be sufficiently closely related to at least be in the same family of animals. Dogs are in one family, the Canidae. Cats are in another, the Felidae. And as I've just said above, hyenas are in their own family. They couldn't possibly produce offspring with any canid or felid, not even with artificial fertilization in a laboratory.

Those stories you read in places like the National Enquirer about cats breeding with rabbits or dogs and humans breeding with gods only know what and actually producing hybrid offspring are just that -- wild stories, invented for the ignorant and gullible who want to be titillated.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2009, 04:26:39 AM »

You better watch it Jamal... You're beginning to sound less and less like a poor black kid from the projects!

I do miss the stories of your exploits also!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2009, 04:59:30 AM »

miss chicken lady also !

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2009, 05:11:29 AM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on September 04, 2009, 04:26:39 AM

You better watch it Jamal... You're beginning to sound less and less like a poor black kid from the projects!

I do miss the stories of your exploits also!

the older you get the smarter you get

mrbigtexan · « **Reply #15 on:** September 05, 2009, 07:56:42 AM »

i have heard that dingos were bred with heelers. they do look an awful lot alike. but i am not sure.

Qaz · « **Reply #16 on:** September 09, 2009, 06:49:21 AM »

Jamal- Whats happenen bra!
To answer your question. I would suspect very few people have actually seen a coydog, you may think it is, but is probably not. The reason for this is that it seldom happens in the wild and if it does they are sterile. I personally have never owned a dog that would not kill a coyote on sight. The coyotes around here have never taken a shine to the dogs either

. As for the wolf hybreds, they are man made and would be extreemly rare in the wild also. Wolves are notorius for killing dogs and coyotes on sight and it takes a hell of a dog to stand up to one, the problem is they run in packs. Do you get the picture? My information comes from books and speaking to game biologists.

mechanic · « **Reply #17 on:** September 09, 2009, 12:12:05 PM »

If it has four legs, canine teeth and fur and its on our lease, its a coyote. I've noticed a couple of them look a lot like dog breeds, but who can know such a thing?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 09, 2009, 12:53:39 PM »

I am quite sure a coyote dog hybrid is not sterile. Just as a timberwolf dog hybrid is not sterile. Our coyote pup and german shepard were best of friends. All canines are territorial and will either befriend or fight an intruder in its territory.

a4beltfed2000 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:05:29 AM »

Hybrid wolf dogs are NOT sterile, and although rare a dog and yote/wolf will mate in the wild occassionally. Although it typically happens, when there is a break away from the original pack of animals.

As far as breeding goes, yotes and wolves with breed together as well, in fact it is believed that the red wolf is actually a cross breed of timber wolves and yotes.

As far as wolves go, most of wolves found in the united states has some DNA markers of domesticated dog within their gene pool. The purist wolf DNA strains are found in Canada.

In these parts, most of the dogs killed by wolves are dogs that are being trained for bear hunting, and the dog ends up to close to the wolf den, that will cut into their life expectancy quick!

One of the main reasons that cross breeding does not happen more oftens is because of the time of year that both wolves and coyotes breeding in the cold months (nov-Dec) and the pups are born in late spring.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #20 on:** September 11, 2009, 01:10:46 PM »

I UNDERSTAND THE EASTERN COYOTE IS MUCH LARGER THEN THE WESTERN COYOTE

is this true?

the explanation was the eastern coyote has more dog blood

anything to this??

mechanic · « **Reply #21 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:55:02 PM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on September 11, 2009, 01:10:46 PM

I UNDERSTAND THE EASTERN COYOTE IS MUCH LARGER THEN THE WESTERN COYOTE

is this true?

the explanation was the eastern coyote has more dog blood

anything to this??

It's been my uneducated observation that western coyotes have very little to eat other than the occasional desert rat. Eastern coyotes have lots of nice little puppies and kitty cats as well as chickens and other small fowl......?

a4beltfed2000 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:29:24 PM »

Yes here in the northern part of wisconsin the coyotes are very close in size to the timber wolves. There is ALOT of food here, both domestic and wild, right now we are going through our small game cycles with abudance of rabbits, grouse, pheasants, and turkeys. By next year the number of yotes will be unbelievable, then a outbreak of some disease will thin the herd down and it will cycle again....

hillbill · « **Reply #23 on:** October 17, 2009, 03:28:22 PM »

years ago was deer huntin, spotted a funny lookin yote, looked just like a yote, but was kinda red lookin with white points kinda like a red fox. but big as a yote.im thinkin coy dog. shot him and left him lay cuz i was deer huntin. cupple hrs later when i went over where i saw him fell down ded. he wasnt there.didnt think much of it. next year deer huntin, saw same yote, unmistakeable color. limping along behind another regular yote from the same stand.kinda freeked me out, he was obviously still barely living, i let him go.

sk330lc · « **Reply #24 on:** October 17, 2009, 05:29:57 PM »

In southeastern Ohio in the Late seventies early eighties, There was a big problem with Coydogs. Coydogs in this part of the country are nothing more than a pack of wild dogs. They may have some coyote in them who knows . Just mostly wild dogs. The Oil well pumpers, that go and check wells and change charts always carried pistols and rifles because of them. People have hunted them and the population of Coydogs have been all but eleminated now.

Flatlander.54 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 19, 2009, 01:44:53 PM »

I have had only one experience with a Coydog in my life, and I will never forget that dog. My mom called me one day and asked me to come over to her place. She live right on White River here in Indiana and there are several woods around her property.
She said that the oddest looking dog wandered up from the woods and is more dead than alive. I went over to her place and laying there in her back yard, starved, and looking beaten half to death was a female Coydog. It was obvious that she had been run out of a pack as she had some wounds on her. She was so easy to mistake for a coyote...long and lean, same colors. It was obvious she had been living in the wild for a long time. She was in such bad shape I fully expectd her to die right there on the spot.
But, my mother being the nuturing soul that she is, was able to nurse that coydog back to health. I was extremely leary about the whole thing, but Ill be damned if that didnt turn out to be the best dog I have ever seen. No one could come on the property unknown. The dog even protected our kids by getting between them and any dogs that happened to come up or down the road, she would even get between the kids and moms pond if she thought the kids were getting too close to the pond.
Im sure this was an exception to the rule, but I know for a fact that this was a true Coydog, and why she decided to take to our family so readily will always be a mystery to me. But I can say without a doubt that she was the best dog I have ever seen in my life. Never once did she show any signs of aggression towards us, but Im tellin you what...she could make short work of a possum or a coon.
And, aytime we would be over there in the evenings and hear a pack of coyotes get fired up...she would always get between us and the woods, hair all bristled up and growling. In her mind, I think she was protecting her new "pack" from the pack that had nearly killed her when they run her out for whatever reason. I'll never forget that coydog as long as I live.

Qaz · « **Reply #26 on:** October 20, 2009, 08:51:34 AM »

There is some speculation that coyotes in the east have periodically interbred with wolves, thus increasing their size. I have a feeling that it has more to due with the food supply. Of course, the way these chicken farmers feed growth hormones to the chickens, who knows? I find it hard to believe that any get to the size of a Timber wolf, The largest I have seen (Dead) was seventy five pounds and that picture was shown to me by the person who hit it with a truck. That is big for a coyote, but not for a dog. If they were almost as big as a wolf, I wouldn't want my dog messing with one.

skyhigh_seller · « **Reply #27 on:** October 24, 2009, 05:05:22 AM »

I hunt a predator tournament in Jan. in southern tier NY. Last year I hunted (2008) probably 40-50 coyotes weighed. Big ones 55-58# I don't know that any got over 60#. Most were ~35#. I shot 1 and think it was 33#.

Coydogs? Everybody calls them that, but not likely. And yes to wolf/coyote crossing.

Are They Really Coyotes?

Early reports of “coyotes” in the east were often greeted with skepticism. Sometimes, after seeing the animals’ large size and hearing their howling, people declared them to be wolves. To further confuse the issue, some animals were identified as “coydogs,” a mix of coyotes and dogs.

Early studies, which used skull measurements to identify species, suggested that most of these animals were mostly coyote. These studies also showed that some interbreeding with wolves may have occurred. Recent studies using DNA analyses clearly show that hybridization with wolves has occurred, most probably in southern Canada where populations of wolves and coyotes adjoin each other. Hybridization has similarly occurred between coyotes and red wolves in our southern states, but has not been reported for coyotes and the larger subspecies of gray wolves in the northwestern states, northern Canada or Alaska. The degree of hybridization varies among individual coyotes in New York and adjacent New England states. Although specimens of coy dogs were identified during the early years of coyote colonization, recent DNA analyses show no evidence of dog genetic material persisting in our coyote population.

From - http://www.esf.edu/pubprog/brochure/coyote/coyote.htm

and

Coyotes or Coydogs?

The large canid which resides in New York is a true species; they are not a hybrid. The proper name is the Eastern Coyote, Canis latrans. Coyotes and dogs theoretically can interbreed to produce what is called a 'coydog'. However, these crossbreeds have a reproductive cycle of dogs, not coyotes, and will give birth at times of the year when the pups cannot possibly survive (i.e., January). In addition, there are behavioral differences between dogs and coyotes which prevent crossbreeding from occurring. Coyotes want to mate with other coyotes and not with dogs. Coyotes are actually more likely to prey upon a domestic dog instead of mating with it. It is in this manner that dog genes are prevented from entering the gene pool of true coyotes, maintaining the two separate species. Coydogs occurred at the leading edge of coyote range expansion during the 1950 to early 1970's. The occurrence of a coydog would be an extremely rare event in New York today.
From - http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/9359.html

billy_56081 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2009, 06:09:19 AM »

Another thing wildlife biologists have said about a coyote/dog hybrid is a curl in the tail of the offspring. Knowing this about dogs has saved one or 2 from being mistaken for coyotes. Ince in a great while you see a dog that looks very coyoteish. We even spotted a pomeranian along a farm grove at one time, I'm glad we looked it over good and made sure of our target. Looked like a fox at first, but it acted too calm and when we saw the whole dog we knew better.