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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 01:21:43 AM »
Don't know! I enlarged the pics, and was looking at the raised motifs on the chase and 1st reinforce, but I can't make out (is that a leaf, or vine design?) what they represent.
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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 01:52:11 AM »
By the quality of the photo's I am guessing you didn't take them,

I am guessing it is an "Aged piece as the lathe center hole in the applied trunnion is still bright and shiny,

It reminds me of some Indian cannon....... but the engraving is a puzzle .........

Is the chalice supposed to represent the Holy Grail?

How old is this supposed to be?
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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 02:08:56 AM »
yes , the muzzleface and breach style say eastern to me , india is one posibility
but old ?? probably not
just totally cleaned from grease and oil , probably by sandblasting
then aged by pissing on it for several months and maybe using some battery acid from time to time while its ageing
india is famous for their cast iron production
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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 02:37:15 AM »
Dan,

I don't think it is a cast piece, it looks machined to me, to applied a trunnion ring like that the muzzle would have had to be added after the fact.

centering hole showing in the side of the trunnion is a give away that it was a turned piece. 

the breech looks like it was added also.
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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 03:22:25 AM »
Looks like a combination cannon and giant torx socket.

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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 07:53:59 AM »
Farm machinery left out in the Field for a few years?

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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 06:47:14 PM »
So Cannonmn,

What is your take on this item?
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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2009, 07:57:05 PM »
I wuz hopin' the person would answer my email as to dimensions and where he got it.  There's a reason they ask "how did you come by this?" on the Antiques Roadshow.  If he told me he had bought it off evil-bay shipped from China, it would all make sense.  It kind of reminds me of sme of the "hand cannons" you see on evil-bay that you know are some kind of worn-out industrial tooling with a handle welded on to resemble...

If it is supposed to be something even as old as 19th C., the strange marks on top have edges that are too sharp.   Looks to me line those marks were punched into it yesterday, then a rust-chemical put on.  ???

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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 08:48:26 PM »
  It kind of reminds me of sme of the "hand cannons" you see on evil-bay that you know are some kind of worn-out industrial tooling with a handle welded on to resemble...

 Sir, are you implying that this "Unusual Antique Chinese 1 Hole Iron Cannon" .... "the date about at 1700" might not be authentic?

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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 09:20:01 PM »
When I first saved and enlarged the photos I only gave them a cursory glance before making my post, but after reading some of the other posts, and after viewing the pics again, I've noticed some other things. Cannonmn is right, the designs on the barrel are punched, or engraved, not raised (at least not raised the way I originally meant). All of the swirled marks (maybe representing fire?) that are punched in the iron from the breech ring on down the 1st reinforce taken as a whole, form the image of a latin cross. I had this thought originally, but didn't voice it because the round shape on the chase could also be taken as a flower, or the sun with its radiating rays of light, but now I think it represents the Blessed Sacrament/Eucharist, or perhaps a monstrance (a receptacle used to display the Host) used in some forms of the Catholic Mass. It's an odd piece!
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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 11:02:14 PM »
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Unusual Antique Chinese 1 Hole Iron Cannon

I remember that one now, the extremely rare variation with integral speedloader.  Or is that the drive gear for the single-barrel revolving cannon?  Hard to tell.

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Re: I have no idea what this is, do you?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 05:02:40 PM »
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Unusual Antique Chinese 1 Hole Iron Cannon

I remember that one now, the extremely rare variation with integral speedloader.  Or is that the drive gear for the single-barrel revolving cannon?  Hard to tell.

It was dual purpose after a long day at battle they could flatten out the dough for their wontons.......
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

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