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what happens when you get pulled over for speeding and you tell the leo about your weapon and permit

run your dl then send you on your way
17 (28.3%)
ask you for your permit with dl
19 (31.7%)
take your weapon while they run your dl
8 (13.3%)
still give you a speeding ticket
15 (25%)
take your weapon, wallet, car and throw you in the clink
1 (1.7%)

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Offline cbourbeau32

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Re: ccw permit holders
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2009, 04:27:36 PM »
In Oklahoma you are required to show your CCW permit and inform the officer upon first contact. The only time I had this happen (didn't quite come to a complete stop at a stop sign). The officer seemed a little surprised at first about my CCW but was cool about it and only warned me about the stop sign. Oklahoma LEO's I think for the most part are good guys and gals who are on our side.
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« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2009, 09:55:23 AM »
I live in Kentucky where you can carry showing without a permit. And if it is in the glove box loaded no permit is required.
I do have a CCDW (This means anything from a pistol, shotgun or knife).

If you get pulled and have a CCDW and don't have a weapon on you the officer will let you know who has the best deal on firearms this week and wish you on your way. (Not Really)

But it is not uncommon to see someone in Walmart or a restaurant with a 1911 strapped to their hip.

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« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2010, 12:08:15 PM »
Moved from Indiana to NC.  Rules are completely different.  Indiana now has Lifetime permits.  No training required but I did opt to attend the NRA class at my gun club.  We were told NOT to tell a LEO if stopped or approached.  I double checked with a local police captain that I know and was told to keep quiet, they do not know if you have a permit or not.  Not sure if it is still not required.  NC is just the opposite.  We could carry anywhere in Indiana except govt buildings and schools as long as there was not a sign on the door.  The first time I applied at the county sheriffs office I ask about a permit.  They told me there were two types.  A range permit, no one gets it and the ccw and that was what I should apply for. 
NC restricts carry in a number of areas.  Company I worked for in Indiana had a policy of no guns in the building...if they were in your car, they should stay there.  Heck, they even let me bring a rifle in and do some mill work on it as long as I only brought the barrel and receiver...no bolt or stock.
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Re: ccw permit holders
« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2010, 07:55:50 AM »
Most law enforcment officers will run the plates of the car he's going to pull over, and he will see the permit for CCW. So I think he knows about the permit before approching.
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Re: ccw permit holders
« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2010, 03:26:10 PM »
The option I need is not in the poll - "don't say anything about your CCW if you get pulled over". Here in NH we don't have to deal with that nonsense. I've been pulled over by both state and local cops and I've never been asked if I'm carrying nor do I voluntarily offer it up. We're not required to. It's a non-issue.
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« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2010, 11:39:25 PM »
Giving them my CCW with my DL is a non-issue.
If that is what they want I will comply--it is a non-issue and it doesn't bother me.
Let's look at this in anothe fashion.
Suspose they approach your car and see a weapon--one that you had thought was cocealed. If they reacted to that weapona nd asked you out of the vehicle you would present the CCW at the appropriate time--that would dissapate the pressure some--maybe not entirely.
That is why I don't mind a CCW or presenting it.
There is much to be said for right to own and bear, and I agree--but the CCW does offer the officer some comfort knowing that you have earned the right to not be identified as a BG---unless you are acting like a BG--which would give him the right to treat you in such a manner.
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Re: ccw permit holders
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2010, 02:27:16 AM »
Why issue a ccw if no one is to see it ?
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« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2010, 03:27:52 AM »
I see it differently, driving is a considered a "privilege" therefore I don't mind presenting an LEO my driver's license when asked for. Keeping and bearing arms is a "right" guaranteed by the Constitution therefore I should not have to get a government "permit" in the first place. I do comply with the law and got a permit through proper channels. I can deal with the state wanting to run a background check on someone wanting to carry concealed but I should not be required to show a permit every time I get pulled over. It's my right and is completely unrelated to the privilege of driving.

The state of Vermont has it right, no government "permit" is necessary for a right that is already guaranteed by the Constitution. Think about the public outcry if people had to get a government issued permit to exercize any of their other Constitutional rights.
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« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2010, 07:38:32 AM »
All i said is they issue so they will check it . Job security for some nitwick .
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« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2010, 03:39:57 PM »
In many states your vehicle is considered the same as your home. They have to ask permission or get a warrant for search. You can also carry a weapon concealed(in vehicle) and it is not an issue. I would not mention it to the LEO unless he asks or asks permission to search. If the gun is on my person I would of course inform the leo before getting out of the vehicle.
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« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2010, 08:55:41 PM »
I don't know what would happen if stopped. Never has happened to me. And I rarely carry. I believe here in AK you are supposed to tell an officer that you are carrying and have a permit and show it along with the DL.  Alaska the permit # is same as DL. But nowadays I think you can carry concealed wo a permit so I don't know what the rules are. I need to brush up. My permit expires in April. Mine is so old I can still go in buy a handgun and walk out with the gun as soon as the paperwork is done. I've been told that will end when my permit expires. Maybe I better go buy a few soon.
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2010, 09:10:15 PM »
In Texas you don't tell anything. When he/she gets to the car then you get your Insurance and give it to them with DL and CCW.
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« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2010, 09:26:37 PM »
Well around here a CCW will get you no consideration as far as speeding is concerned! Beaumont city cop stepped out behind a tree with a gun and yesterday and cited me for 46 in a 30! Its a known speed trap and I was just not paying attention. Looks like defensive driving is in my future.
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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2010, 02:20:21 AM »
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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2010, 08:05:24 AM »
So...if you are legally licensed and the gun is concealed...and you put your wallet on the dash...and your hands on the wheel...in plain sight....why do you feel the need to even mention that you are armed???  Is it a requirement that you tell the LEO this info????
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« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2010, 08:45:33 AM »
That is the requirement in Texas.
I follow this practice in every state.
Wyoming, Louisiana, Texas, and Virginia are the states stopped in--2 tickets--Louisiana & Texas---Louisiana was for being a Texan.
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« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2010, 09:03:25 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2010, 11:34:13 AM »
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Re: ccw permit holders
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2010, 12:07:19 PM »
what  is the point  in being  required  to tell a cop you are  armed??

so  he  can  start  being  afraid  of  you  unnessisarily??

has  a bad  guy ever   put the cop  on  notice  so  the cop  my have heightened awareness?

its a stupid law!!!!!!!!!!!!!....glad we don't have that
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« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2010, 08:47:25 PM »
I am wondering why that is a concern?
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« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2010, 03:07:49 AM »
The reasoning behind telling the officer upfront is to keep a deadly confontation from happening.  Anyone with sence can imagine what could happen if the weapon was seen by a backup officer and he panicked.  I have no problem with letting them know I am armed and carry a permit.  In ten years of having a CCW I have only been asked to show it three times.  It really is not a big deal. 8)
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« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2010, 04:07:39 AM »
It's the law here where I am but even if it weren't I would let the officer know that I am a permit holder. For one thing it tells him/her that I have gone threw some stringent background checks and am most likely not a criminal and that I am not trying to hide something from him/her.  Second if he or a partner happens to see my gun they are less likely to panic and do something we would both regret. 

It usually takes a minute or two for the officer to get up to your vehicle when you get pulled over.  I use that time to shut off the vehicle (this tells him/her I am not likely to try to run) get out my drivers license and carry permit, and roll the window down partially, (He/she knows I am not likely to shoot threw the glass) then I put my hands on the steering wheel and wait for him/her to approach.  When they get to the window I greet them with Hello officer, is there a problem?". (Maybe I just have a taillight out.)  They usually ask for my license then ask "Do you know why I stopped you?"  Always answer with "No sir, I do not."  I never admit guilt, that I know I was speeding or ran a yield sign or whatever.  I never argue or make excuses.  I find that phrases like. "Sorry sir, I wasn't aware I was going that fast" or "Sorry sir, I missed that sign."  leaves them room to let you off with a warning to pay closer attention. 

I have been pulled over numerous times in the 32 years I have been driving and have only received 3 tickets to date so I guess my strategy has worked well so far.           
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« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2010, 04:11:28 AM »
When I was a road cop, didn't make any difference to me if you had a permit or not R/E a speeding ticket.  Attitude did.  I would always ask someone if they knew why I had stopped them.  Mind you, I was pretty easy going, like 75 in a 55 was my minimum.  When they looked me right in the eye and said "I don't know why Officer", then I would write it down for them.... ;D  

As far as carrying is concerned, if someone told me they were carrying, I usually wouldn't ask for the permit, kind of assumed they had one if they advised me without me asking or noticing the gun.  Cant see an Officer who is worried about you carrying that he would ask you for the weapon while he runs your lisc. - If I was that concerned, I would not want you placing the weapon in your hand to give to me.  Twice I had armed civilians stop and offer to assist me while holding suspects at gun point along the highway waiting for backup.  Against all Dept. rules, but it shure did come in handy once..

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« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2010, 04:34:10 AM »
HUMMMMM ! I guess I am the only speeder here.
I give a hang about speed limits on the road/highway, I try and move along with the traffic and I try to run gaps.
When I get stopped for speeding, I expect to get a ticket.
Most cops are fair and I can't argue their job---I do what I do and they do what they do.
I have no arguement with showing a CCL.
When I carried without a CCL---for 40 years---I didn't have one to show and I just kept my mouth shut. Sheriff told me a long time ago that most assumed there was a weapon in the car--in Texas.
The advantage I see to showing is that it takes the edge off.
In town I drive with the traffic.
In Louisiana it don't matter---if it is a Texas plate and a Parrish deputy there is liable to be a ticket. I have a good coffee story on that---funny, even if it did cost me $250.
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« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2010, 03:40:56 PM »
Quote from: rawhidekid on February 11, 2010, 03:07:49 AM
The reasoning behind telling the officer upfront is to keep a deadly confontation from happening.  Anyone with sence can imagine what could happen if the weapon was seen by a backup officer and he panicked.  I have no problem with letting them know I am armed and carry a permit.  In ten years of having a CCW I have only been asked to show it three times.  It really is not a big deal. 8)

my point  is

why  do  cops  get panicky  JUST  because  some one  is  armed???

armed  people  are very common  and not   suspects
like  saying  just  cause a man is  black  he  may be up  to no good

it  is prejudicial  tratment

i  was  pulled over a few  times
i  noticed  the cops  noticing  my gun  was printing
the subject never came up
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« Reply #85 on: February 12, 2010, 03:54:11 PM »
In Ky they know when they run your tag or DL. Both are tied to your CCDW.


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« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2010, 03:34:17 AM »
I am wondering if they would pick up a Texas CCL ?
I dunno---but I show it anywho.
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« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2010, 07:12:42 AM »
Quote from: Bigeasy on February 11, 2010, 04:11:28 AM
When I was a road cop, didn't make any difference to me if you had a permit or not R/E a speeding ticket.  Attitude did.  I would always ask someone if they knew why I had stopped them.  Mind you, I was pretty easy going, like 75 in a 55 was my minimum.  When they looked me right in the eye and said "I don't know why Officer", then I would write it down for them.... ;D  
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« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2010, 09:20:18 AM »
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