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DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« on: November 03, 2009, 12:13:03 PM »
I have a Malin 9mm camprifle. I like it a lot but want a 9mm single shot breach loader.  I haven't found this yet in the forums.  I am assuming I could use a sb1/sb2 frame with this low power round.  I also intend to shorten whatever barrel I find to just over 18'.  Any advice would be appreciated, and no I am not a gunsmith or machinist, but I know some.

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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 05:20:03 AM »
There were some mauser rifles imported that were made for police use. They were chambered for a 9mm(maybe Largo?) and if one of those could be located a parabellum could be made to function.. It may be possible to convert a small ring mauser tochamber the 9mm Parabellum. A magazine could be mafe to function thru the existing box with a mechanism similar to the 1922 Springfield.. It would be pretty heavy for such a light caliber though so perhaps a break action would be a better idea.. The drawback there would be building the extractor to function with a rimless cartridge. It can be done but a 38 Special (357 mag) would be easier and more versatile.. While the pressures of a 9mm are not too bad they are higher in the gross score than any shotgun.. so while not super critical they must be taken into consideration. I don't know of any other SS's in 9mm..
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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 12:27:37 PM »
Thanks Gunnut69
I have a 9mm Malrin camp rifle, but break open handi has sort of started an itch I feel a need to scratch.  I started with a 308 new and liked it well enough to buy a used 357 mag in nickel plate.  That led to an estate sale a little later and a 45-70 and a 223.  I can always pick up a high point 9mm carbine and sell the Marlin but would like to somehow come up with a 18" barrell handi single in 9mm.  Just a wood walking plinker to go with my ccw.

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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 01:38:51 PM »
  Blindhari,   I have done a bunch of handi barrels in wildcats and non factory chamberings.  The way I do it is by relining a shotgun barrel with a turned down rifle barrel of the caliber I want to make it then permenently epoxy glue it in the bore of the shotgun barrel. Usually I try to use a 20 ga. barrel because you need your rifle barrel to be large enough in diameter at the breech end to fit the shotguns chamber and if possible to be large enough dia. to turn a rim also but not necessary. The muzzle end of your barrel needs to be at least bore dia. of the shotgun barrel to work best also. With a 20 ga. that would require a barrel blank that could finish at .705 minimum dia. at the breech and .615 at the muzzle end. If you leave the O.D. of the shotgun barrel as is it makes a very heavy profile but I have turned some of them from paper thin at the muzzle to taper right up to the forend attachment lug and it reduces the weight alot and you can still use your shotguns forend unmodified if you want or you can glass bed it. I turn the barrel blank to about .005 to .007 clearance fit to the bore and chamber dimentions and usually take a 5/8- 11 tap and run it thru the full length of the bore to give the epoxy more to bond to, ( not necessary ) and will run a 3/4=10 tap into the 20 Ga. chamber a ways for the same purpose. Dont worry about the strength of the epoxy not holding things together because you could shoot the barrel with the liner barrel inside without any epoxy at all with complete safety, because if you or who ever does the machine work turns the liner to the correct sizes and gets the chamber end  tight to the forcing cone of the shotguns chamber the inner barrel could never move forward.
The epoxy I use has a 3500 PSI strength and with all of the surface area between the liner and the inside of the shotgun barrel it will never shoot lose if cleaned properly  and bonded as the epoxy requires.
I would think a ejector for a 223 Rem. would work with the 9 mm rimless case.
For a barrel look online at Numrich Arms / Gun Parts Corp.  they usually have barrels or blanks sometimes pre chambered for reasonable cost. With this methood you can make just about any caliber barrel you want if you can find a rifle barrel that will work with the guage of shotgun barrel you have.
Hope you understand the concept, it's really not to difficult if you have a friend who can do the lathe and mill work, to me it is much less work than stubbing and the finished barrel looks facory made.  Hope that helps,   Jedman
Current handi family, 24 ga./ 58 cal ,50-70,  45 smokeless MZ, 44 belted bodeen, 44 mag,.375 H&R (wildcat),375 Win.,357 max, .340 MF ( wildcat ), 8 mm Lebel, 8x57, .303 British, 270 x 57 R,(wildcat) 256 Win Mag, 2 x 243 Win,2 x 223 Rem. 7-30 Waters &20ga.,

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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 02:43:26 PM »
The TC custom shop will make you a 9mm Contender rifle barrel if you like too.
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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 06:29:46 PM »
Thank you gentelmen, Here I go again learning something new to me.  My wife cracks up every time I take a new course at one of the local colleges.  I have been doing this at night since I got out of the Army in1969.  Currently I have in excess of 260 credits and have never even pulled down an associates degree.  A counsler I have known for a long time says he can qulify me for a degree in "Nothing Special" just on my grade point average.  This year my wife and I wound up helping to sponsor a promising gunsmith.  This young lady heard about my wanting to find a 9mm break open and came over to talk about it.  She has a lot on her plate but her campus mentor is going to help us work on this.  Should be a lot of fun, mayby as much fun as actually shooting the rifle, mayby more.

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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 04:31:34 PM »
Jed:

Are you saying that a "liner" setup the way you describe, if it was not epoxied in, then you could remove the liner and use it as a shotgun too? Just wondering.

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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2009, 12:04:53 AM »
  Brian,  You could make it to be removable, you would leave the shotgun barrel bore and chamber unchanged and  probably add a couple of O rirgs to the liner, one near the mumuzzle and one near the breech end.
Larry has built something like that already with a built in ejector that mates to the shotguns ejector and doesnt require punching out pins and changing from shotshell to rifle ejector.
Savage use to make what they called Four Tenners, they were a tube that slipped into a 12 or 20 ga. and allowed you to shoot 410 shotshells , I had a pair in 20 ga. and they worked pretty well.
As I said it could be done but to get a nice fit and work out the kinks its a lot of work.   Jed
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Re: DIY 9 mm handi ????????????????
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