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Offline stubshaft

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Re: The Truth About Lil' Gun...
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2009, 05:10:28 PM »
I guess I never noticed any damage to the forcing cone of my FA83 as I ordered one with a tungsten insert.  BUT, if Bob says not to use it I will go back to 296.
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Re: The Truth About Lil' Gun...
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2009, 09:05:27 PM »
Just spoke to I think his name was John, at Freedom Arms, and he told me he has a 454 with thousands of rounds through it. He said most of his loads were with 296. He said the major cause of the erosion is with too soft bullets being pushed too fast. Not sure how my forcing cone will be effected? It is an early model, and has an allen wrench screw at the side of the frame? I think its an extra hard forcing cone? I had one installed on my first FA 454 many years ago, when I wore out the forcing cone and cylinder throat.

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Re: The Truth About Lil' Gun...
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2009, 11:54:35 PM »
id dont think bullet hardness has anything to do with it. Its light bullets shot fast that tends to do it and its more prevelent with jacketed bullets.
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Re: The Truth About Lil' Gun...
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2009, 07:35:47 AM »
I might be wrong (usually am) but I don't think those replaceable forcing cones are really any harder to wear out, they are just "replaceable". The cost to get them replaced is no cheaper than a new barrel. They are not even offered as an option anymore.

When my problems first started, my discussions with FA centered around the bullets I was using. I was told my both John Carey and Bob Baker that was the problem. My second barrel was fired only with FA bullets or CPC, both of which I was told would be OK in my gun. When the forcing cone was shot out of it too, in a very short time, that was when we started to look at the powder, which was Lil Gun.

Still, you DO need to use bullets of sound construction and hard cores to drive them at 454 pressures. That is why you will see much hotter loads listed in Hodgdon's manual for the FA jacketed bullet than you will for...say a Sierra 240 grainer.

Bob's advice to me, and it is good advice, is to load only to levels suggested by and for the actual bullet you are using. Do not substitute bullets of same weight/different manufacturer. That is why Hornady developed the XTP MAG.

They (Bob and John) say that the forcing cone will wear out much sooner if you use bullets that are not up to the pressures.
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Re: The Truth About Lil' Gun...
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2009, 02:01:22 PM »
Question to Mr. Baker --

You mentioned that the Lil' Gun loads cause excessive barrel overheating. However, what are FA's conclusions/recommendations on extensive use of H110 or 296? I have heard those two powders also damage the cones, which is why I stick to 2400 and occasionaly 4227. 

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