Author Topic: one rifle? (Read 18161 times)

Swampman · « **Reply #180 on:** September 29, 2010, 05:27:07 AM »

I thought this was the Survival & Self Sustainability forum. Handguns are ok for everyday use but very few people can hit anything with them beyond about 5 feet. Run 10 feet and your safe.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #181 on:** September 29, 2010, 05:34:38 AM »

From what I have read, handguns are nice to have on your hip while working around your campsite in dangerous game territory like Alaska or even in the mountainous west. I live in the deep south. I prefer to take my .44 out with me on hikes in the woods in the spring/summer or early fall loaded with shotshells and slugs. Poisonous snakes or even a rabid coyote or wild dog, you might encounter. I use a hiking stick with a side arm. Beats lugging a rifle or shotgun around, even a handy. Also, I prefer one for home use. I would rather have my pistol handy in a break-in than trying to manuver a long gun in the dark. Flashlight in one hand, pistol in the other. If something is outside, I might get a long gun, probably a shotgun where I live. I live in town, so a rifle is out of the question for a breakin. I do live in a very safe neighborhood where breakins are unheard off, but it could happen, but probably not unless I am not home.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #182 on:** September 29, 2010, 05:37:13 AM »

survival is often enhanced when others don't know you are armed . A rifle often is hard to hide in your speedos .

teddy12b · « **Reply #183 on:** September 29, 2010, 05:50:18 AM »

For self sustained living, if I had to pick a handgun for everday carry I think a 22lr would be a fine choice. I'll freely admit that I'm not the best shot in the world with a centerfire pistol, but when I have my ruger mark III it's a different story. That thing just shoots fast and accurate.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #184 on:** September 29, 2010, 06:29:03 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 29, 2010, 05:27:07 AM

I thought this was the Survival & Self Sustainability forum. Handguns are ok for everyday use but very few people can hit anything with them beyond about 5 feet. Run 10 feet and your safe.

You're right on the Forum. The OP however started this thread asking for suggestions on adding ONE RIFLE to round out his collection, and specifically disregarded any handguns in the collection. The first couple of pages summed up the recommendations, and we have meandered all over since.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #185 on:** September 29, 2010, 06:31:37 AM »

Well at least it has not gone religion or what if a bear shows up

jmayton · « **Reply #186 on:** September 29, 2010, 06:46:09 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 29, 2010, 05:27:07 AM

I thought this was the Survival & Self Sustainability forum. Handguns are ok for everyday use but very few people can hit anything with them beyond about 5 feet. Run 10 feet and your safe.

Ok, question: what is "everyday use"?

And you'd only be safe at 10 feet from some. And I'm not a gambling man.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #187 on:** September 29, 2010, 07:15:54 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on September 29, 2010, 06:31:37 AM

Well at least it has not gone religion or what if a bear shows up

Casull · « **Reply #188 on:** September 29, 2010, 10:27:03 AM »

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Handguns are ok for everyday use but very few people can hit anything with them beyond about 5 feet. Run 10 feet and your safe.

As you are so fond of saying, "Must be operator error". As for safe past 10 feet, ask the last 3 deer I've taken (35 to 70 yards) with my RSRH.

teddy12b · « **Reply #189 on:** September 29, 2010, 11:00:20 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on September 29, 2010, 06:31:37 AM

Well at least it has not gone religion or what if a bear shows up

Good Point!!! What's the best one gun in the world that does it all and can provide good protection against Methodist bears?!?! Does it matter more if the bear is Catholic because it may be drunk if so?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #190 on:** September 29, 2010, 11:06:19 AM »

The muslim bear dosen't play fair. Will huff and puff and blow your house down

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #191 on:** September 29, 2010, 11:38:37 AM »

A Christian bear will pray over you before he eats you.

teamnelson · « **Reply #192 on:** September 29, 2010, 12:28:50 PM »

Handguns are useless for bears, they can't get their paws in the trigger guard.

glock fan · « **Reply #193 on:** October 29, 2010, 05:06:50 PM »

How about a Saiga semi-auto in .308? The Saiga is a commercial clone production of the venerable AK47. It is produced in the same factory where military AKs are made. I have one and it is very accurate & reliable.

Rolandedwinjohnson · « **Reply #194 on:** November 08, 2010, 05:42:52 AM »

One Rifle - there is no real choice the 30-06, the 7-08, the 30-30 are all good. The 223 is OK, the 7.62X39 also. The 22 rimfires are useful and perhaps necessary as a second rifle but not satisfactory as the one rifle.

The only long term choice with reliability, availability, and accuracy is the .308 bolt. Which bolt is arguable but a good .308 is the way to go.

Casull · « **Reply #195 on:** November 08, 2010, 10:29:43 AM »

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The only long term choice with reliability, availability, and accuracy is the .308 bolt. Which bolt is arguable but a good .308 is the way to go.

Huh?

teamnelson · « **Reply #196 on:** November 08, 2010, 11:05:15 AM »

Quote from: Rolandedwinjohnson on November 08, 2010, 05:42:52 AM

The only long term choice with reliability, availability, and accuracy is the .308 bolt. Which bolt is arguable but a good .308 is the way to go.

A man should be confident in his choices

45-70.gov · « **Reply #197 on:** November 08, 2010, 01:26:52 PM »

Quote from: Rolandedwinjohnson on November 08, 2010, 05:42:52 AM

One Rifle - there is no real choice the 30-06, the 7-08, the 30-30 are all good. The 223 is OK, the 7.62X39 also. The 22 rimfires are useful and perhaps necessary as a second rifle but not satisfactory as the one rifle.

The only long term choice with reliability, availability, and accuracy is the .308 bolt. Which bolt is arguable but a good .308 is the way to go.

i agree
i have one
end of discussion
better if you have 2...the first one to break is for spare parts [covered]

Casull · « **Reply #198 on:** November 08, 2010, 02:07:02 PM »

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The only long term choice with reliability, availability, and accuracy is the .308 bolt. Which bolt is arguable but a good .308 is the way to go.

Well, unless you can lay your hands on a 30-06.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #199 on:** November 08, 2010, 03:06:02 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 08, 2010, 02:07:02 PM

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The only long term choice with reliability, availability, and accuracy is the .308 bolt. Which bolt is arguable but a good .308 is the way to go.

Well, unless you can lay your hands on a 30-06.

and a 30-36 to 308 chamber adapter

cause there is no 308 to 30-06 adapter....[except a reamer..and you will have feeding problems]

Dweezil · « **Reply #200 on:** November 10, 2010, 05:09:19 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on September 29, 2010, 05:37:13 AM

survival is often enhanced when others don't know you are armed . A rifle often is hard to hide in your speedos .

And that might get you some strange looks. "So....ummmm....is that a rifle in your Speedo or are you happy to see me?"

jamesrus · « **Reply #201 on:** February 28, 2011, 05:00:17 PM »

One rifle.....hmm.....i would have to say either a bolt gun or lever action in a military caliber. 308 or 223, because both rounds are plentiful here in the U.S. easy to find and both will kill. Granted the 223 doesnt have as much stopping power but with proper placement it will do the trick. Now that being said it really doenst matter which caliber you choose, just so long as you are proficient with it and can make every shot count. Wasting ammo is a no no in this situation. If its humans you are protecting yourself from shoot to kill if there are only one or two . If more that 2 then shoot to incapacitate and move on. Most people who will be working in groups in a survival situation will be concerned over their hurt friend and stop the chase of you. Dont hoard the ammo in one place, choose several cache sites and have them well hidden and protected. Take care of that gun, it is your life.....but dont grow overconfident in using it for protection.....remember.....he who runs away will live to fight again another day....

Jamesrus

Shu · « **Reply #202 on:** March 01, 2011, 02:04:19 AM »

I would pick a 357 magnum living in the lower 48 states. Either a rifle or a handgun. Ammunition is easy to reload and very cheap. Animals up to the size of deer will will fall easily to it, if you are a very good hunter you can shoot larger game if you can work in closer and pick your shot.
The 357 magnum is an excellent man stopper also.
Alaska or Canada would be the 45-70 guide gun.

As far as bears and God, well I guess each must decide what to do in his own situtation.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #203 on:** March 01, 2011, 08:07:20 AM »

I would agree with a 308 BUT ammo weight and aval. I posted else where about reading articles where Native guides use 22 hornet and 22 mag to yake Caribou or moose . I watched a show about whale hunting and they had a Ruger mini 14 for polar bear protection. These guys are true survivalist . They come from survivilist who did so less firearms. The gun to them is but a tool. I think I will rethink my needs . Funny thing is the 22 mag. over the 22 lr.

teamnelson · « **Reply #204 on:** March 01, 2011, 12:16:18 PM »

Shootall, apologize if I posted this already, but my "one" rifle is a TC Contender G2 with a Super 16 .223 Rem barrel, and chamber adapters for 22wmr and 22lr, based on the same chain of logic you were working on there. Haven't quite done the range work to set up the new peep sight, but I have fired all 3 calibers through it accurately and with no complaint. Keep the butt cuff stocked with a good mix, and you've got options. Even fired a few shorts through it, really nice - I'd imagine they'd do well for small game short distance. The TC barrel is also 1-12 which favors lighter bullets already.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #205 on:** March 05, 2011, 09:29:03 AM »

Chamber adapters seem like good sense to me. Can't explain why I don't have any $:-\$ . Some shotgun adapters and some 30-30 adapters, and my savage 24f would be pretty dog gone versatile.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #206 on:** March 05, 2011, 01:43:22 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on March 01, 2011, 12:16:18 PM

Shootall, apologize if I posted this already, but my "one" rifle is a TC Contender G2 with a Super 16 .223 Rem barrel, and chamber adapters for 22wmr and 22lr, based on the same chain of logic you were working on there. Haven't quite done the range work to set up the new peep sight, but I have fired all 3 calibers through it accurately and with no complaint. Keep the butt cuff stocked with a good mix, and you've got options. Even fired a few shorts through it, really nice - I'd imagine they'd do well for small game short distance. The TC barrel is also 1-12 which favors lighter bullets already.

those rimfire adapters are real ''hadi'' in the TC contender

with that dual fireing pin set up.....i have 222 set up that way

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #207 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:59:44 AM »

I have gauge adapters for shotguns