1911 frame cap-n-ball...

[Victor3]

 A gent I know has a BP 44 cal inline handgun on a solid-cast 1911 style frame. Uses #11 caps, has an octagonal bbl ~8" long, with Millett sights. Finish appears to be un-blued and bead-blasted. Pretty neat looking gun.

 Anyone ever seen anything like the above? It's not a one-off; he's got the original box and papers with it.

 He's wanting to sell, and I'm wondering what I should offer him for it 

[simonkenton]

That is a new one on me. I thought the Uberti Cattleman was weird.
Is this a single shot?

[Victor3]

 Weird? How dare you (But I'd have to agree) 

 I got it. Traded an air pistol I wasn't using plus $60. Adjustable trigger on it feels near as nice as ones on some of my 'spensive pistols Sights are not actually Milletts, but nice knockoffs. Frame is steel. Grips are birdseye maple, and also came with Pachmayer wrap-arounds. Made by 10 - Ring Precision in the early 80's. Appears to be unfired.

[Gaucho Gringo]

Here is some info I got off Google on it: 

Alex Hamilton designed and built the first one for Max Schneider in the 1970's. It incorporated the S&W Model 41 web and the 1911 frame. It worked so well that demand took off, and he hired Bob Day and Frank Green to help him refinine the design and build them fast enough to keep up with the orders.

The flintlock model was (is) called the "Dueller" and the percussion model the "Rival". Both use a 0.440" ball with an approx. 0.013" pillow ticking patch. Both are reportedly capable of delivering 2.5" or better groups at 50 yds.

They are still being built by a fellow named Chris Hagemann. He can be reached at (402) 727-5512. Don't have a current price but I reckon they aren't exactly cheap.
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For you sick-freak muzzle loaders like me who smell like a Civil War battlefield, a little description of the two Ten-Ring Precision match grade pistols is in order here. The flintlock model (Dueller) shot a .440 ball with a .013 pillow-ticking patch. The percussion model (Rival) used the same round ball and was one of the very first inline actions ever built for a muzzle loader. Both pistols shot 2.5" groups or better at 50 yards and are still winning national championships every year. Chris Hagemann is building a fine rendition these pistols today and can be reached at (402) 727-5512.



Apparently you got a very good deal.

[Victor3]

 Cool. Thanks much, GG...

[Redtail1949]

thanks for that post:

if i had heard of it and not seen it i would have never believed it.

[simonkenton]

Wanna trade for my SKS muzzleloader?

[hillbill]

by far the most unusual pistol ive seen in a long time.very nice find. keep us posted.

[Hairtrigger]

I want one!

[Mikey]

Simonkenton:  where on earth did you ever find a muzzle loading SKS??

[simonkenton]

It is one of ten made in China by Norinco.

This rifle was sent to a big gun show in America and is now kicking around. It isn't really mine, it went up  for sale by Empire Arms a few months ago and I saved the pic. Price was $700.

This is the only one that was sent to the United States.

[rio grande]

Don't you believe a word you read on the 'net!
That 1911 black powder shootin' gun used to belong to a fur trapper who went out west in the 1830's.  
Name of Simon Garfunkle. He went out there with Russell, and Liver'eatin Johnson. John Wayne was there too.
It wound up in a museum in Utah.  
That's where John Browning saw it and got his inspiration for the .45 Automatic.
There's more to the story, but it's dangerous to talk about it.
dead men tell no tales, so it's said.
The rest is history.

[madcratebuilder]

Don't you believe a word you read on the 'net!
That 1911 black powder shootin' gun used to belong to a fur trapper who went out west in the 1830's.  
Name of Simon Garfunkle. He went out there with Russell, and Liver'eatin Johnson. John Wayne was there too.
It wound up in a museum in Utah.  
That's where John Browning saw it and got his inspiration for the .45 Automatic.
There's more to the story, but it's dangerous to talk about it.
dead men tell no tales, so it's said.
The rest is history.

Damn, that would make a good movie!