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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2009, 10:40:37 AM »
 :) i am with swampman on this one ,anything the gov. touches goes to poo
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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2009, 11:05:36 AM »
Part of the reason for high insurance rates is no competition.  The government needs to allow medical insurance to cross state lines like auto insurance.  It would lower rates.  Also tort reform to limit malpractice awards.  Start incrementally and see what happens first before you allow the government to take over. 

I think this Is a big reason insurance rates are high. It is after all a federal law that does not allow insurance company's  to sell insurance across state lines. So it is government that has created a part of the high insurance costs. Its a proven fact that when there is competition for a product its costs are reduced. Government thinks it can improve a partial monopoly by creating a total monopoly. Meaning a single payer.
 Many are bad mouthing the insurance companies like its their fault. Insurance companies are just doing what any other company does. That is to make as much profit as they can for what they sell.

Its the famous liberal two step. First screw something up, then say its screwed up because there is not enough government oversight. Then step in and really screw it up in the name of reform.
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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2009, 12:36:57 PM »
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Its the famous liberal two step. First screw something up, then say its screwed up because there is not enough government oversight. Then step in and really screw it up in the name of reform.

Aint that the danged truth! 
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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2009, 04:17:26 PM »
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Its the famous liberal two step. First screw something up, then say its screwed up because there is not enough government oversight. Then step in and really screw it up in the name of reform.

Aint that the danged truth! 

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2009, 04:26:52 PM »
i'm on are nogotiation commity at work atleast every 2 years we are looking to cut premium cost! Because the premiums are getting out of hand! Are raises get ate buy the rise in insurance premiums! Year one the bidding year is fine year 2 gets out of hand! Years 3 we are looking for a new provider, change deductables, change doctors! It sucks It really sucks we have no control over these insurance providers! IT AINT RIGHT! Someone figure this out! I can't!

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2009, 05:20:16 AM »
This is where interstate competition for insurance would come in.  IF the government would allow it.  You could shop for the best value nationwide. 

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2009, 06:43:50 PM »
The constitution does not allow the government to control health care so they misinterpret the transportation clause to say they believe that it gives them the right to control health care because people travel between states.  Now thats really stretching the meaning of interstate transportation. In reality all things not specified in the constitution belong to to the states according to the 10 th amendment to the constitution.  If you check it is not specified meaning it belongs to the state. As has been said before "It is ALL about CONTROL"
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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2009, 12:20:41 AM »
Anything that Congress exempts itself one hundred percent from cannot be good for the country.We didn't have trouble with Social Security until they removed theirselves from its provisions and adopted their own retirement system.The problem with our health care system is excessive test required by Doctors to protect theirselves from lawsuits,Drug manfactures charging prices that far exceed the actual cost of the pre cursors used to make the medication ,Insurance companies that set rates that will ensure a good return for their stockholders, hospital that charge six or seven dollers for a common aspirin.Allot of these problems started when the large Bankers were sucessful in getting the Usery Laws repealed and like a snowball it just keeps growing.When something needs overhauled, you fix the things that caused the problem before you start making other changes to other things that affect the performance.

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2009, 09:38:42 PM »
 Mostly because they can not run anything else effeciantly!
 Secondly, They keep lieing about whats in the bill!
 Thirdly, THEY ARE NOW ADMITTING IT WILL NOT LOWER THE COST OF OUR INSURANCE! When that was the reason for this reform to begin with.

 Yeah I want change. A change in government!!

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2009, 04:48:05 AM »
Anything that you have to lie and decieve people about to get passed, can't be good.

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2009, 02:20:43 AM »
Just sit back and think about anything the government runs. They cost WAY more than projected,run more inefficent than the private sector,and WHY would anyone trust the clowns in congress to get anything right. They won't accept the same health care plan that they want to give you. They can't even balance a budget for gods sake! They work for themselves NOT you! The best thing that could happen to this country is to THROW anyone that has been in Congress more that 2 terms out on their butts and have all of them investigated for corruption! Anytime a  member of congress says "In my 30 years in congress" ,THAT should SCARE the hell out of you! VOTE THEM  ALL OUT! The Dems are the Repubs and the Rebups are the Dems!--1Longbow

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2009, 04:56:04 AM »
Just sit back and think about anything the government runs. They cost WAY more than projected,run more inefficent than the private sector,and WHY would anyone trust the clowns in congress to get anything right.

Just to play devil's advocate here, earlier I mentioned the US Postal Service. That's a prime example of the government doing things well.  The private sector still exists here to serve a niche market.  If you want up to the minute tracking info then Fedex or UPS is there - or if you want next day delivery or need to handle an extremely large package.

However for your run of the mill everyday letters and packages USPS is typically cheaper, faster, and more efficient than the private sectors companies.

Lets not forget to that the military is ALSO a government run organization.  That one is kinda obvious, but here's one that's not: fire stations at one time used to be a private sector market.  You paid dues to a certain fire station and if your house caught on fire then they would come to put out the blaze.  If you didn't subscribe then you weren't covered.  Eventually it was noticed that such a thin was simply not feasible to be handled by the private sector and it become government run.  And the government run fire houses worked much better.  As a private pilot (just for recreation), I can say that a ton of the airports in the country are government owned - often by a local municipality.  I've actually noticed that most of the government run airports tend to be handled as good or better than the privately ran ones.  I'll admit (and have before) that I work for the county here where I'm at, and we own and operate the local airport here (though I'm not really involved with that area of operations).  Our airport is regarded as being one of the cleanest and nicest in the area - with the lowest fuel prices to boot.

Government run services are here, and have been for a while.  I'm not saying necessarily that health care definitely should be government ran - I'm just saying that it's an issue worth considering.  Saying that it'll turn out bad because "everything the government touches does" is not really valid because we have examples to the contrary.  It's an issue that has to be evaluated on it's own merits.  Personally I think allowing the interstate competition and having a few more regulations would do the trick though. 

You can't really blame people though.  The private industry has been price gouging and mistreating customers for years.  Once bitten, twice shy.  A lot of people are hesitant to give them a second chance.

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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2009, 03:29:19 PM »
Can't wait to see how efficiently they can run healthcare...

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Postal Service reported a loss of $3.8 billion last year, despite a reduction of 40,000 full-time positions and other cost-cutting measures.

The loss was $1 billion more than the year before despite job cuts and other efforts designed to save billions of dollars, postal officials said Monday.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9C0S4NG0&show_article=1&catnum=3

Just as a reply as to how well the Government runs the Post Office,Sorry, I'll give you the Military,though PC is running rampent through it.
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Re: Why don't you like government administered health care?
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2009, 05:13:53 PM »
The other countries that have health care programs show this doesn't work.  Canada has as much as a six month wait and people come to our country to see a docter because they can't wait.  Here in Az we have many Canadeans winter and hear this complaint all the time.
I also know that the program in England isn't working well as I have heard them complain it is bankrupting the country.  We need less government not more, put our lawmakers back under Social Security and see how fast they fix that system.  X2 on the statement already posted that any system they do not want inclusion in is no good. 8)
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