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The P250 is very different
« on: August 30, 2010, 10:56:11 AM »

The P250 is very different / unique and there is a learning curve especially for folks who did not cut their teeth on DA revolvers.

Not only do you have the advantages of both revolvers and pistols, but you also have some of the disadvantages / problems of both.
 

Pistol problems:


All new pistols must be properly cleaned and lubed prior to firing.

 [When you get your P250, .
READ the manual.
Tear it down and figure it out.
Pay attention to that brilliantly simple fire control mechanism.
Clean up the slide and barrel .
just a bit [plain old rubbing {isopropyl} alcohol will do].
Put a drop of Rem Oil [with Teflon],
Win Oil [with Break Free], or .
Liquid Wrench DRY [with PTFE ], or .
your own favorite gun lube;
on the slide contact points and the barrel hood where it contacts the slide.

Make sure there is no ammo within reach and begin to work the action and dry fire to get the feel of the pistol.]


 
Just like all pistols, especially light weight pistols, you must not "limp wrist".

You do not need a "death grip", but you do need to provide a solid shooting "platform" which does not move rapidly enough to cancel out too much of the slide momentum in the recoil to battery cycle.

Actually, in many cases it is not really the "platform", but rather inconsistent trigger control [usually "jerking"] that causes the malfunction.

 
Revolver problems:

Trigger control is important with all firearms and is absolutely critical with DA revolvers.

Do not try to manipulate a revolver / P250 trigger the way you do a 1911 trigger.
They are totally different.
 
On the old classic Colt DA full size revolvers, you could, with years of practice, learn to manipulate the trigger in a "2 stage" mode akin to the old "set triggers" on fine rifles.
That technique was incredibly accurate, and . with years of practice, . very fast.
The first stage took it right up to the "breaking point" and then a bare touch dropped the hammer.
That will not work on a P250.

Do not try to find "reset" points on the P250,
there aren't any, .
and you will end up breaking your rhythm and "jerking" the trigger.

Just keep the trigger moving like you were rolling a barrel over a slab of plate glass . [or a frozen lake] .
smooth, . smooth, . smooth.

Do not "short stroke" the trigger.
Allow it to travel full length, backward and forward, while smoothly relaxing and "pressing" the trigger.
We no longer use the term "squeeze" because people will subconsciously try to squeeze with the entire hand.
Only your trigger finger should tighten / move.

Avoid "slapping" the trigger; no abrupt, irregular, jerky motions . smooth, smooth, smooth.


I have found that the Ruger LCR trigger is great practice for a P250 trigger.

Get / rent / borrow a Ruger LCR . [which simulates a P250 trigger fairly well]
 . and some "snap caps"
. and practice "dry firing".

Get some Speer "plastic practice bullets", .
[or do like the "old timers" and make wax bullets] .
and practice, practice, practice.
 
Go to the range and do some "ball and dummy" practice.

Get / rent / borrow a laser grip [LCR-LG] Ruger LCR . [which simulates a P250 trigger fairly well]
 . and some "snap caps".
Practice "dry firing" with laser on wall and
. laser tracing the wall to floor and wall to ceiling seams.

If you can learn to "run" an LCR, you can do wonders with a P250.


Perfect your trigger control.
{Nothing is more obscenely and embarrassingly revealing than the light weight "snubs".
Master them, and anything else is a cake walk.}

That is the secret to all handguns.
Nothing else is as important as trigger control.

 

 

 
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Re: The P250 is very different
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 11:03:49 AM »
   
P250 fire control

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/544100549/p/113

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Posted January 08, 2010 07:01 PM Hide Post
Picked up my 2Sum 9mm today.

I went to change the fire control module from the full size to the subcompact and when I did, the trigger bar and trigger bar spring became separated.

Might have been a handling mistake that was my fault, I don't know.

It took me an hour to figure out how to put the tigger bar spring in properly.
The manual doesn't really address this issue and the exploded diagram was of little help.

It looked like this, you tell me if it's a toughie to figure out.
All is well now, and I like the combo.


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Posted January 09, 2010 05:23 AM Hide Post
Lbj, I did the same thing while reassemlbing mine. Thought I had to be missing the obvious.....I was. Part of what I like about this pistol is the ability to strip it all the way down without tools. Amazing. Glad I wasn't the only one.


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A nice informative side view photo of a completely assembled fire control unit in the manual would have been helpful.

Something that Sig should think about doing.

Maybe there is one on their website, I don't know I didn't look.

Once I got the spring back on, it's now a snap to do but still.

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I agree about the manual. I was lucky enough to still have the May issue of Combat Handguns with the P250 article and some good photos to look at.


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For others who have this happen:


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Re: The P250 is very different
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 04:24:12 PM »
Anyone else have an opinion/experience with the 250. I have a Sig Store gift certificate and was planning on purchasing a P250 compact or fullsize. Can't decide on 45 acp or 357 sig. I want to make sure they worked all the bugs out before I make a purchase.

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Re: The P250 is very different
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 04:32:24 PM »
If you aren't concerned about all the "transformer pieces" and are just wanting one gun, I think you will be fine. On the other hand if you want all the pieces you must be patient as SIG seems to make them after demand has been measured.

As far as the reasoning behind the "transformer"? You can have multiple guns for little more money. Maybe if you live in some anti gun state there is some advantage to one frame that accepts all the parts to become any gun.
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