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Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« on: November 19, 2009, 04:29:52 AM »
Obama arrived on the base 3:19 p.m. local time (1 a.m. Eastern Standard Time), and received a rousing welcome from 1,500 troops in camouflage uniforms, many holding cameras or pointing cell phones to snap pictures.

"You guys make a pretty good photo op," the president said.

Standing on a riser wearing a blue suit and red tie, with a cluster of troops and a large American flag behind him, Obama expressed "the gratitude of the American public" and said his meetings in four countries over eight days in Asia will help deliver a "safer more prosperous world for all of us."

He got a huge cheer when he told them he was increasing military pay. "That's what you call an applause line," he said, before boarding his jet and taking off at 4:11 p.m.

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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 04:45:27 AM »
Would that be anything like Bush saying "mission accomplished" after the landing on the deck of the ship? It's all politics.
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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 05:58:06 AM »
Heck dont knock it! He got elected saying things that people wanted to believe!

An old football rule........try it until it dont work anymore!
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 06:07:21 AM »
Oldshooter, I hate to admit it but you are right, as long as they want to believe it that is all it takes. That can be observed reading this board. eddirgjr
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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 06:22:12 AM »
It sure can, and your part of the board also. ;)
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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 07:09:34 AM »
Would that be anything like Bush saying "mission accomplished" after the landing on the deck of the ship? It's all politics.

Yupp.  Just like that.   I was deployed a the time Dubya made that infamous photo-op.  In fact we were all watching this at the Army mess hall. The running joke became: "...the Commander in Chief said "mission accomplished"....so can we all go home now?   Somehow, I don't think Obama announcing the annual pay raise is quite the same level of grandstanding.

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 07:19:57 AM »
It's not quite like Bush saying mission accomplished. The better example would be that he said mission accomplished and then announced a pay raise. Quite a difference.
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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 07:26:33 AM »
Obama is probably gonna have to give'm a bigger pay raise when he asks them to fire on American citizens when it's time for him to leave, and he doesn't want to.
Life in the military for the next 3 years at least could be quite interesting to say the least. Dweezil, I think the present "clown in chief" will make Bush's blatant disregard for the Constitution and Bill of Rights (Patriot Act) look like a very minor infraction.
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 07:56:46 AM »
Time will tell...and I don't see Obama refusing to leave office when his time is up. Hasn't happened with any president yet...and I don't see him having the huge, brass cojones it would require to make such a play. If he had 'em we would have known by now.  It is cognitive dissonance, bordering on insanity, to imply Obama is a vacillating weakling pandering to public opinion...who would have the unprecedented audacity to disregard public opinion and make himself Supreme Dictator for Life. The 2 perceptions of him really are mutually exclusive.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 08:16:41 AM »
After only 11 months into his regime I doubt any of US, can tell where he will head in four years. That he has intestinal fortitude at the present to me is obvious. He is DOING what he said he would do. Not necessarily at the pace he would like, but he has proved to be formidable in the realm of politics. He has risen quite rapidly, and it would be interesting to see what will stop him at his present pace.
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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 08:48:50 AM »
Dee,
I quickly learned when taking multiple choice tests that "never" and "always" were pretty reliable indicators of a false statement. But people generally do most what what they say they're gonna do, which is why it's important to listen closely. Obama ran on a slightly left of center platform and he's trying to stick with it. Some folks think he's going to far.  Some don't think he's going far enough. Regardless, he really does represent a significant change from George the Second. Funny, in the tail end of the Bush administration, there were folks on the lunatic fringe of the Left who thought HE was going to declare martial law, cancel the elections and declare himself Supreme Dictator for Life.   Didn't happen.  Now folks on the Right, with their tinfoil hats on too tight, are predicting the same from Obama.  Amusing how the stories rarely change, only the names. ;)

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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 08:53:18 AM »
i wouldnt put anything past him.   if they are willing to make up 700 false congressional districts that recieved a trillion dollars, and ask us to believe it was a computer glitch, they will try anything.  oh, and an 18 millon dollar website?   must be one helluva website....  i wonder what matt and g.b. could do to graybeards with just say 1 million?   i have a buddy that makes websites for people for about 500 bucks. 

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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 08:58:02 AM »
and i havent even got started on the G.overnment M.otors debacle.   or the czars he has appointed.  or the takeover of the healthcare system.   you dont need to look very hard to see things that are beyond what i thought could happen here in amerikastan.   if you would have told me a year prior to it what would have happened in the coming year, i would have laughed in your face.    dee is 100% right on this particular post.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 09:43:25 AM »
Y'see?!  Right after I mention "tinfoil hats" someone comes along to prove my point. Gawd I love this site!

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 10:42:48 AM »
Y'see?!  Right after I mention "tinfoil hats" someone comes along to prove my point. Gawd I love this site!

I like this site too, there are some good folks here, that don't always agree but, only a few are TROLLS. From time to time however, people such as yourself come along with all the answers, and assure every one else that their idiots. My remarks were done tongue in cheek, from the beginning, while yours have been from a superior know for sure stand point. If someone doubts your prognosis, then they have to be stupid. It must be very difficult to find a hat large enough when you shop for one.
On another thread you called someone that was discussing a topic, a coward today for absolutely no reason, and just like now, for no reason than an attempt at being superior, and condesending, you insult another. Is that your basic m.o.? You claim to have been a leader in the military, I suspect instead, that you were the college boy that knew everything, and you got a lot of these ::) from folks when you walked away. I suspect your getting them here too. ;)
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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2009, 11:45:37 AM »
Hey.  TROLLS need love too.  So what if we're hairy, and ugly, and smelly, and foul tempered.  Good thing lady Trolls are too or we'd be sunk.  :D
I wish I had all the answers.  Hell, I don't even know all the questions.
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If you actually read my previous posts, I actually agreed with the guy I called a "coward."  He went out on a limb and bravely said something  incongruent with the safer responses in the post which I thought was pretty ballsy. Which is, of course, why I called him a "coward."  HMMM...that IS kinda trollish.   ;D Oh well, too late to change now.
About the college boy thing.  Guilty.  Paid for years ago, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

The thing is.  There are good ideas, flashes of brilliance, legitimate grievances and streaks of outright paranoia among folks on BOTH ends of the political spectrum. We're all in this together.  We all bleed.  We all survive or fail as a group. We've gotten so polarized lately that we seem to have forgotten that.  It's sad. I hope we can get past this or our children, and our children's children are in  for a world of hurt.

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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2009, 05:23:50 AM »
    me with a tinfoil hat..... um, ok.    things i listed are known facts, we aint talking who killed jfk or whether or not we actually landed on the moon.   i listed things that he has done since getting elected, or is in the process of trying to do.     
    i have not researched your post history, and will likely not as i dont see any insight or value in you yet.  right now you are simply regarded as a sheeple.    congrats.   ::)

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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2009, 06:33:38 AM »
Not sure but did Nixon think about martial law during water gate and was told the military would not back him on that?

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2009, 09:02:44 AM »
Not sure but did Nixon think about martial law during water gate and was told the military would not back him on that?

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2009, 10:13:46 AM »
Dweezil folks like you are why Obama is in power and destroying this country. I would like to say a lot more but don't want to be kicked off here yet!
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2009, 10:39:47 AM »
I believe if you will look at his posts you will get the impression that Dweesil sometimes acts like Dtroll. ;D
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2009, 12:51:26 PM »
Dee,
Actually, I'm an Ogre, but close enough, and like Shrek says, we're like onions.  You know.  Layers.  Ok. Sometimes we're smelly and make you cry too but hey, whatever.   (I've been watching way too many kids movies.  Having small kids'll do that to you.)

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2009, 02:30:39 PM »
Why I was just kiddin weasel, didn't you see the smiley face? Besides, there's no sense blaming it on your kids. I mean hey! Their kids.;D ;)
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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2009, 08:52:53 AM »
Actually, I like kids movies.  Having kids just gives me a good excuse to watch them. Problem with blaming things on your kids is they get most of their good/bad attributes from their parents. No future in that one. I'm still hoping the wife's good genes will compensate for some of this.
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2009, 10:31:35 AM »
Many a true word spoken in jest. I don't know who said it. ???
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2009, 09:42:26 PM »
read the book by jonah goldberg titled liberal fascism
then read the audacity of hope

obama talks about pragmaticism and a "third way" between republican and democrat that could really accomplish great things
third way is fascism--corporatism, social engineering on a grand scale, government control of industry and healthcare, gun control

people think the democrats are gonna help them, they used to call themselves progressives too... progress on a massive scale, like red-state china moving every ant in the hill in strategic and grand ways for the betterment of the collective with not much thought to the welfare of the individual

like healthcare, screw it up completely until the government is the only player left, keep pushing for abortion too, social engineering, outright eugenics after that.  the progressives/democrats used to be all about sterilizing black women during routine gynocological exams and had ties to the KKK (1924 DNC Klan-Bake, look it up) so them really trying to go crazy like Hitler isn't out of the question, probably not this generation but they might be trying REALLY hard to set it up for the next.  Opec, Russia and Venezuela fighting for oil money while it's still available (oil I mean), all the worry about the next big energy market, environmentalism being such a big deal NOW (because they want to regulate energy, and the world has too many people already, too many to share the wealth), all the big countries have to push someone around (we're doing it right now) and strangely enough, a bunch of states in the usa have huge oil deposits but most can't be gone after, and neither can nuclear power in most cases... it's like the powers that be are really sitting on all the resources waiting for all hell to break loose and conglomerate it all together.  guns isn't ACTUALLY more important than the economic side but it's a lot easier to grasp and it's the linchpin that lets them REALLY get moving.  Imagine UN "peacekeepers" coming in your home and taking your guns, or getting locked up for stirring unrest, a lot less than my current thread would probably get me imprisoned in China.. who is supposed to be so weak economically but they seem to have us by the balls too so it's like they're really just waiting for something... I really don't know what though.. maybe they're just patient enough to just choke us out real slow, corrupt us and let the american dream fade away


on the bright side the third way is more of a phenomenon and not a playbook so while the state does gain more power every decade,... the power is hard to wield and the persons doing that change often.  For example, everyone freaked out with the patriot act but most conservatives thought it was a great idea to keep an eye on the arabs, aryans, muslims, persians.... well now it's right-wing people being watched... the government power went sour really fast BUT it's so unwieldly that all the government is doing right is undermining public support for totalitarian laws.  Crap like that has happened before and it got repealed (20's to 40's, lots of weird stuff happened and the backlash broke most of the NEW DEAL agenda but it's back again).

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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2009, 09:53:11 PM »
all that being said, I'd rather get shot to death in my own home standing my ground than get marched off to some hell-like place like a sheep/ jew on a train to auschwitz death camp

painful or not, bleeding to death is a quick way out, and they can't take you or your stuff until they can legitimize an assault on your rights, that's why I'm hardcore NRA and politics, the NRA manages to oftentimes turn that double-edged sword of power back and forth on the politicians and with a core membership of supposedly three million plus that's hard to ignore (plus the industry and the dough all those buyers have)

the government is always gonna keep getting stronger, we just need to keep an eye on the politicians while they re-write old laws and pass new ones every election cycle.  I hate being paranoid but that's what happens after "opening my eyes" and reading a few books

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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2009, 02:29:50 AM »
Squib whether anyone likes it or not you definition of Fascism is correct, and that is what I have described Obama as from the very beginning. A lot of naysayers rave that this is America and that will never happen, but the fact of the matter IT IS HAPPENING. Their mad about their tax dollar going to folks like GM, and AIG, and the Banks, and now HEALTH CARE, but that is how it starts.
They are taking control. Obama may or may not be the final president, but what if he is. Bush gave him a tremendous leg up on the Socializing of our economy with his last year in office, and think of what Obama is accomplishing as we speak. He has been president less than a year, think of what could SNOW BALL over the next three.
I have continually complained about the Patriot Act with many on these forums defending Bush by saying it was needed given the times. Does anyone SERIOUSLY THINK that Obama will not USE THE PATRIOT ACT AGAINST PATRIOTS?
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2009, 09:36:13 AM »
I was a young guy that was looking for a way to "be a man" once and guess what, I ended up kicking in peoples doors because THEY WERE THE BAD GUYS.  Yeah, really conservative/american/republican/nra of me right, be a government spook and bust into the homes of people that are religious, family oriented, armed (beyond pro-gun, pro-ied, pro-car bomb even), hard-working and truthfully very purpose driven people to ESTABLISH ORDER and to BRING JUSTICE.  I wasn't politically aware then but I am now... all the big countries (economic powerhouses) do that kind of stuff all the time.  It's strange that no one really worries about it happening here, what we're safe even though we're just like people in the middle east except (assuming you're white/seems most shooters are outside of texas-texans aren't white or tan or mexican or american they're TEXAN!  ::) we're paler, dress in actual clothes except night-gowns, probably christian in our values (though most aren't that pious), and we use toilet paper.  That last one is the only thing that really bothered me about the middle east.  I raided a lot of houses and only saw an actual toilet once, guess what there wasn't any toilet paper or a sink in there either!!!  Speaking of raiding houses, all the times I kicked in doors and saw nothing but a scared mother and her 4, 5- 8 kids or so I felt like a douche but I was disappointed to not get to shoot up the "bad guys".  Later on, (about a month or two) I got my face blown off, went blind, almost paralyzed in my left leg, lost the use of my left hand for a long time, oh and lots of blood loss causes serious muscular atrophy by the way (and throws your heart out of rhythm for awhile too, loss of homeostasis).  Anyways while laying of my face and trying to breathe threw my mouth because I didn't have much of a nose left, and that hole/nose put a lot of blood down my throat, I realized that I really did have it coming.  And while in extreme pain, with SEVERE inflammitory problems (eyes)from any bright light (stationed in the mojave desert too!!!!), disfigured and barely able to walk (or see beyond five feet) and hitting tequila hard to drown the physical pain, I found that I couldn't really calm my mind... and it all started to make sense.  I'm not particularly religious but allah and god and yahweh are the same thing and the values are mostly the same between the cultures and religions... so they're just as human as we are.  being violent and dirty is because of the poverty over there, that's all.  it's not religious or racial.  by the way, islam is spreading over here in america, so while the affirmative action/socialism crowd is beating up conservatism and white culture, the influx of very hard working conservative immigrants offsets that (they aren't white but they don't pull that poor me affirmative action bs either, they WORK- mexicans come to mind but also think about florida, lots of cubans swim over to escape a communist country- proclaim themselves americans and presto, uber-republicans!!!  and those islamic "prophets" are easy going now but wait a decade, they'll thump their books a lot harder than any christian televangelist, beat on your doors a whole lot harder than the local jehovas on sundays, and they are WAY more "extreme" than american right wing so I expect them to totally counteract the crap that is happening with big government... the gov will get bigger but they can't handle religious fanatics without suppressing religion and civil rights because that erodes their base (deconstruction is the same as mutual friends by hatred of another, democrats can hate each other vehemently as long as they hate america more!!) so the dems will fight each other and the red elephant will squash them while they're distracted.  what we need to do is get some muslims in the republican party.. that'll put some spine back in the party

and get some democrat muslims too, so that group can get the minority card and abuse it, which will make people get REALLY tired of it and maybe be enough to stop affirmative action all together (think about it, one really serious car bomb in america and it'll be worse than 9/11 for sure....)

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Re: Troops cheer Obama (here's why...)
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2009, 09:51:53 AM »
back to the patriot act, now the muslim extremists are being watched and NOT sniped or even deported, the decent islamic citizens are being harassed with no reason (or legal justification), now the right-wing EXTREMISTS are being watched and plotted on- though not for anything that HAS been done, but will be done if Obama and his goons do something really big, like a gun-grab, or UN treaties.  So any muslim is a terrorist because some guys flew a few planes into buildings?  Oh, and all rednecks are evil white supremacists that hate colored people and want them dead and gone from america and WILL rise up with their guns and go lynch people in the streets (strange that the dems/progressives supported that stuff when it was happening), and the people who are immigrants/not white/not ideologically motivated by anything but fear of an oppressive government in the work are.. well not the "establishment", "old guard", "militia", "gun-nuts", "hate-mongers" or anything else... OH I KNOW THEY'RE RIGHT WING E-X-T-R-E-M-I-S-T-S

that patriot act is gonna get repealed soon I hope, but first the obamas have to use that info to do something REALLY nasty, and it's gonna be targeted at the right-wing/conservative american born citizenry most likely

I think it'll bring rednecks and muslims together  (which will probably embolden both groups!!!) and I hope that in that america there isn't much room for liberals, freaks and weaklings..

I really do think that foreign blood and some islam are what we need because most white people sold out to welfare checks, public schools and 9-5 jobs already, ... they'll vote away some rights, go for higher taxes just for obamas next stimulus payment of $250 to random low income people, guaranteed

hey italian immigrants got us through ww2 so it's worked before (yeah, w.o.p.'s were the #1 ethnic group killed back then, that's a LOT of dead men from a group of supposedly foreign men, I'd like to claim them as american

I'm done ranting for now, time to eat and go watch bruno

dee, keep it real

explain that stuff to anyone that asks while I'm afk....