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Offline WoodsRoamer

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Triple 7 in a T/C Renegade
« on: November 22, 2009, 02:09:49 AM »
Hi all, just picked up my first muzzle loader, it's a T/C 50 cal Renegade (percussion) . After an extensive search for black powder turn up empty I bought some fffg T7, my friend gave me some ffg T7 to try as well. For those of you who have used it could you recommend some loads to start with, I'll be using a .490 PRB.Thanks.

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Re: Triple 7 in a T/C Renegade
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 02:54:57 AM »
Never shot T7 in my sidelock, but if I were going to try it I'd start with light loads at 25 to 50 yds and work my charge up til accuracy started to suffer.  Maybe 50-60 with 3f and 60-70 with 4f.  Swab bore between shots.  If you can't get any accuracy with any load, start checking your patch/ball combo.  You may need to get thicker/thinner patches.  My old 45 Hawken liked .445's with .010" Oxyoke patches.  Couldn't hit a barn twice with.440's and T/C patches!

Hope the T7 goes bang for you.
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Re: Triple 7 in a T/C Renegade
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 03:01:26 AM »
I think Deeny meant 2F and not "4F"........ :o
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Re: Triple 7 in a T/C Renegade
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 05:05:11 AM »
I think CutsCrooked meant Denny and not Deeny... ;D

(Yeah, DON'T shoot 4f!!!)
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Re: Triple 7 in a T/C Renegade
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2009, 07:13:53 AM »
......now I donno wat I meant!???!    ??? :D

But Denny is right, don' use 4F!
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Re: Triple 7 in a T/C Renegade
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 11:11:38 AM »
I use T7 almost exclusivley. Have for years. It beats pyrodex hands down.
 The stuff is a fast-hot burning "sporting grade" powder, the 3f you have is a little hot for the .50 cal, if you can, take it back and get some 2f/ffg, if not don't fret you can use it, just drop the charge a bit more.
 T7 loads need to be cut back from BP recomended loads by 10/15% for best preformance.
In my son's .50, we use 55grns of T7 ffg under a .490 ball with a .020 cut at the muzzle denum patch. The patch is lubed kinda on the dry side so, we also swab between each shot with a spit patch, once down and back too keep the bore fouling consistant. Bore swabbing is a point of contetion, even with black, it's something I do but others don't. That load is a winning load for that gun.
 If you use prelubed patches, a .015-.018 thickness should be about right, then just work the load in 5 grain increments up or down until you find the best load for you and your gun. No less than 45 grns unless your just knocking cans over and no need for any more than 80. 80 is plenty for killing deer size game out too and inside 100yrds. You may find it likes .495 ball better.
 Your gonna hear about the "crud ring" T7 leaves, it's true, near the seating point of the prb, when cleaning you'll feel the jag drag across something, it's some kind of build up left from igniton and will clean out and also causes no harm.
 You'll still need to clean the gun right away after shooting like you do with black, as there are some "salt's" left from the powder residue that will start rust.
 Another issue I have noticed with the end of the can stuff, is it tend's to settle and you'll get finnings at the bottom that WILL change the volume charge a bit to a hotter load.
 Good luck, the stuff works great, It's just another learning curve.
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Re: Triple 7 in a T/C Renegade
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 11:23:52 PM »
Thanks necchi, that's just the info I was hoping for, I'm off work for the next few days so I hope to get some range time.