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45 Colt Carbine
« on: November 03, 2009, 03:35:18 PM »
Found a used one, laid it away...............how's the accuracy with these. ( Hope it's better than the 44 Mag was)
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 06:34:54 PM »
You'll like it, mine shot the 250gr Speer and 250gr SST over lil'gun using +p data at a little over 1900fps into 1½-2" 100yd groups, it shoots 200gr 460S&W ammo at 2900fps now tho after a little augmentation with a 460S&W chamber reamer!!  ;D

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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 07:31:17 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on November 03, 2009, 06:34:54 PM
it shoots 200gr 460S&W ammo at 29000fps
Man thats MOVING!!! ;) Ya gotta LOVE Lil-Gun!!
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 08:05:55 PM »
I didn't say it does that with Lil'gun, I dunno what Hornady uses in it's 200gr ammo, could very well be tho, the Lil'gun was used in my Colt handloads and my 460S&W handloads, but 250gr 460 handloads only ran about 2600fps max, still smokin, now if I could just get the right powder and bullet combo to reduce the groups size from 2½-3".  :-\

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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 09:42:04 PM »
29,000? I gotta have that load. ;D
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 12:17:17 AM »
Isn't the recoil kinda heavy on that 29000 FPS load?
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 12:41:39 AM »
I know people make typos but that made my day. Goes to show those sb2 frames are stronger than people think. Got a good laugh and needed it. Thanks. ;D
 
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 01:51:04 AM »
29,000 fps, man that is quick.
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 01:58:20 AM »
What model chrony do you have Tim? Mine won't read that high. I can't imagine the recoil. ;)
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 03:20:51 AM »
I'm shooting 1" groups with 250 gr. XTP's at 50 yards with the factory open sights. You'll love this little rifle.

Tim,
Have you tried the 200 grain FTX bullets yet? I think it's designed for the .460 so there's no load data on the .45 Colt but I'm thinking it might be a nice short range yote round if you could push it to 2000-2100 fps out of the .45 Colt. Not sure if that velocity would be possible, though.
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 04:21:46 AM »
I just got a good deal on the Buffalo Classic in 45 colt.  Has a Williams sight and shoots great. I wish they made a different front site for it.  The Williams looks like an aftermarket addition as I think this had different sights on it.  There is a dovetail plug on the barrel where the rear sight would have been installed.
I picked it up for $200 at a small gun shop.
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 04:35:43 AM »
Quote from: thegatman on November 04, 2009, 04:21:46 AM
I just got a good deal on the Buffalo Classic in 45 colt.  Has a Williams sight and shoots great. I wish they made a different front site for it.  The Williams looks like an aftermarket addition as I think this had different sights on it.  There is a dovetail plug on the barrel where the rear sight would have been installed.
I picked it up for $200 at a small gun shop.

Yes, the factory rear sight is a dovetail semi-buckhorn style. The factory front sight is too short to work with the Williams peep sight.
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 05:09:13 AM »
Quote from: Doublebass73 on November 04, 2009, 03:20:51 AM
I'm shooting 1" groups with 250 gr. XTP's at 50 yards with the factory open sights. You'll love this little rifle.

Tim,
Have you tried the 200 grain FTX bullets yet? I think it's designed for the .460 so there's no load data on the .45 Colt but I'm thinking it might be a nice short range yote round if you could push it to 2000-2100 fps out of the .45 Colt. Not sure if that velocity would be possible, though.

I have some of the 200gr FTXs, but didn't have them before the rechamber, but I'd give em a try, colt +p rifle velocities are gonna be close to 460 pistol velocities.

Sorry about the typo, these meds are puttin a whoop on me!! ::)

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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 05:31:50 AM »
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I have some of the 200gr FTXs, but didn't have them before the rechamber, but I'd give em a try, colt +p rifle velocities are gonna be close to 460 pistol velocities.

OK thanks, I think I'll give them a shot. The local gun shop has a box of them and a can of IMR-4227 on the shelf. I don't have a chronograph but I'll do a range report when I get some loaded up.
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 10:32:28 AM »
I just got mine new recently.  I have not had a chance to load for it, though.  It shoots 300 grain Corbon +Ps into a nice tight group (put 3 touching the edgeds of a small bullseye) at 30 yards.  That is about as far as I can see with iron sights anymore.  My left eye is getting to be really useless - thank god thats not my aiming eye.  Sweet little gun doesn't weigh much of anything at all.  Love it.  I am going to put a 1.5-4 variable scope on it just because my eyesight is getting to be so bad.  I have some of the 200 grain FTXs, but can't find any load data.  Guess I should contact Hornady.  Enjoy your new rifle. Rich
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 05:13:30 PM »
I'm thinking of going with a Red dot or 4x scope....................
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2009, 09:49:53 AM »
Sounds like a couple of good choices.  Maybe I will just hold on to the FTXs until I have it rebored to 460 Smith.  I want to shoot it as a 45 Colt for a while though.  I just got dies, hornady 250 grain XTPs and a couple of hundred Starline cases.  Besides, it's nice to have a light little gun that doesn't knock the stuffin out of my shoulder for a change.  ;D
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2009, 12:22:59 PM »
What do you guys plan on using for a seating plug for the FTX bullets? I use RCBS dies for .45colt and only have the flat nose seating plug. It doesn't appear that RCBS makes a compatible plug. I checked Hornady's site and it shows nothing, yet Midway shows a seater plug made for FTX bullets made by Hornady that will be available soon. I picked up a box of the 200g for .45colt and a box of 325g for 45/70gov. I prepped and primed the brass for .45/70 and before I started loading them, I realized I didn't have the correct seater plug :'( A few days later I purchased my first muzzle loader and while looking over the accessories that came with it, I noticed the seating plug for conical/sabot bullets was exactly what I needed. It fit perfectly in my RCBS die. Chucked it up in the lathe and cut an o-ring groove so that an o-ring will keep it in the die without dropping out. I also cut off the threaded stud and rounded the end to match the RCBS round nosed seater plug. The whole assembly will not allow me to seat and crimp in one stroke but I use a Lee FCD die anyway. Now to load up some rounds and try them out ;D   
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2009, 01:28:55 PM »
Hornady New Dimension dies work fine for pointed bullets including the FTX, their seater dies makes their dies my first choice of any die mfr.

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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2009, 01:40:50 PM »
Thanks for the heads up Tim. I tried to locate a set of Hornady dies locally to get a look at the seater but couldn't find any in .45/70. When Midway's site showed that a seater plug was going to be offered just for the FTX bullet, I thought the stock plug wouldn't work. I too have been slowly replacing my RCBS rifle dies with Hornady just because of the seating die. I no longer need to guide the bullet all of the way in and it helps get a straighter start especially on my Dillon 550.
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2009, 01:44:07 PM »
RCBS dies come with 2 seater plugs for the 45LC.  RCBS recommended that I use a Dremel tool to make a cavity in one of the seater plugs for pointed bullets.  Since contact is made between the ogive and the seater, it doesn't matter if the center is carved out for pointed bullets. It was a very easy fix too. ;)


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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2009, 01:46:57 PM »
hey tim,
did you rent the reamer? if so, from who?
i've been look'n for one to rent, or buy...
no one has one available, or i should say... 3 month waiting list...
none available to purchase that i can find..
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2009, 01:51:30 PM »
Rented mine from 4D, Fred bought one after I pestered him for about a year!! ;D  PT&G will make ya one for $140 last I checked.

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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2009, 02:04:55 PM »
thanks tim for the much needed info.... ;)
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2009, 03:06:18 PM »
Thanks for the tip on the .45colt RCBS die fix Dinny. That's pretty much all that was done on the muzzle loader plug. They drill out the center where the polymer tip would touch. Now that you've done the mod and I assume some loads, what did you use for load data? I'm thinking of using the low end of the range of published data of another maker but am a little hesitant. When I compare their load data for the FTX in .45/70 it's a great deal different from their own and others data for the same weight. I wonder if it's to do with its construction or the amount of bore contact that calls for the difference. I want to work these up for use in my Bond Arms derringer.
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2009, 08:11:32 PM »
Unfortunately I am a long ways away from my home and reloading data. I was loading 250gr and 300gr muzzleloader bullets on a recommendation from Quickdtoo.   I was using Hodgdon Lil Gun and was nowhere near the velocities that he got from his loads. I do remember that 300gr Hornady SSTs were giving me 1 1/2" groups at 50yds. I can live with that. :) My biggest concern with that load is bullet expansion.  I need to check my books when I return and shoot some into a sand pile.  Maybe my wife will buy me the Cabelas ballistic gelatin kit for Christmas and I won't have to shoot into the neighbors sandbox anymore. ;)

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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2009, 12:24:00 AM »
Some times you really got to be careful with what Tim writes for #'s as he likes to push them pistol loads hard and even though he loves his Lil' gun with his contacts ya never know when the rocket fuel might get used ;D Kurt
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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2009, 04:02:09 AM »
Hodgdon's TC/Ruger/FA 45 Colt data is what I used, not the standard data, I was also using 1gr more due to the much longer COL the bullet can be loaded to since there's no cylinder to deal with, the 250gr SST work fine for smokeless muzzleloaders at ~2500fps on deer according to those using them.  ;) Used the same data for the 250gr Speer GDHP, got nearly the same velocity, just over 1900fps.

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Re: 45 Colt Carbine
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2009, 07:57:48 AM »
Picked my 45 Carbine up last week, what a sweet handling gun. Mounted a Bushnell Red Dot on it, shot it several times to sight it in, just enuff to get it on paper off hood of truck. Oklahoma deer season on, so will be a while before I can see how accurate it shoots.
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