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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 04:47:59 PM »
How did they get that monster up on the roof?
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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 05:07:42 PM »
I don't believe that's a roof.  The question still remains what did it take to put these guns in place?  A bigger question for me is what was their field of fire?  Where these guns meant to control streets. and possible riots?
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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 05:53:09 PM »
I don't believe that's a roof.  The question still remains what did it take to put these guns in place?  A bigger question for me is what was their field of fire?  Where these guns meant to control streets. and possible riots?
We don't know what is out of the frame.  They could have open fields of fire. As for getting them up - look at the Capitol Dome - that was cast iron segments that were lifted into place.  Block & tackle, derricks, etc.  A job of work, but our ancestors were good at things like that.  Heck, some massive shear legs, a few teams of oxen or mules, and patience.
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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 12:33:00 AM »
that location overlooks the inner harbor docks

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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 02:30:55 AM »
Union troops, under the command of General Benjamin F. Butler, erected the small fort there and aimed their cannons towards the city’s business district as a way to guarantee the allegiance of the city and the state of Maryland to the Federal Government.  This fort and the Union occupation persisted for the duration of the Civil War.

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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2009, 08:14:21 PM »
How did they get that monster up on the roof?

I don't believe that's a roof.  The question still remains what did it take to put these guns in place?

     Cannonmn,   That photo is a great find.  The purchaser really loved it!!  Mike and I love exploring forts almost as much as making miniature artillery, so we have done some reading and more importantly collected a few pics in the public domain.  I recalled one which would explain how they got those seacoast guns to the 'roof' or what they called the "Barbette Level" of the fort.  Early in the Confederate occupation of Ft. Sumter, just after the cessation of the 36 hour Confederate bombardment of that strong-point in Charleston, South Carolina's outer Harbor and after Col. Anderson's Federal troops left, a photographer took the image below which clearly shows exactly how the Federal artillerymen were hoisting the heavy seacoast artillery tubes up to the Terraplein on the Barbette Level, three stories up, above the Parade.   The Confederate Flag pole was very stout, indeed!

     You can see how that very large timber hoist might work.  Using very large blocks and large ropes, maybe 5" or perhaps 7" inch ropes, all but a few of the artillerymen in Anderson's command would get on that rope, with two men behind checking against it's sudden descent, via friction with one or two bollards.  You can see the unique configuration they had with the legs set up on the top of the sealevel casemates.  This was probably done to keep the shears shorter and stronger, but would necessitate a tricky pitch-out of the hoist, to get the tube being lifted clear of the sealevel casemate rear.  Then the rope at the very top which goes toward the barbette guns would be hauled seaward when the tube cleared the terraplein, with a counterforce rope going out from the hoist's top at 180 degrees to several men to prevent a rapid swing of the gun tube.  Those men would be opposite side of the fort from the ones next to the hoist.

     The only other possibility we can think of would be to use a standard Garrison Gin, (see photo below taken at Fort Point at the entrance to San Fransisco Bay in California).  If the fort, unlike Ft. Sumter, had no circular staircases at the interior corners, such a gin could possibly be used to hoist the lighter seacoast guns such as 32 pounders, etc. by placing the bottom points of two of the gin legs at the edge of the corner and the third toward the center of the terraplein and, of course, using a very long rope and two sets of hand-spikes in the square recesses in the ratchet controlled, capstan-pole, rope winder.  It would be very tricky doing the lift this way and one 5" rope might not have enough strength for the larger pieces.

Love those forts!

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The heavy artillery hoist just after the initial bombardment of Ft. Sumter.




The Garrison Gin is almost 20 feet high!

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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 03:37:52 AM »
The CW photo shows two guns of the battery that are evidently on the top flat part of federal hill, you can plainly see the flora growing from the ground. The contemporary photo beneath it shows the hill as it currently appears, and it is stated in a few different sources that the hill hasn't changed appreciably from Colonial times. There's no question that it's a relatively tall hill, but the slopes don't seem drastically steep, so I'm guessing that the ordnance was muscled to the top using draft animals and manpower, with the ordnance carried in large slingcarts and/or wagons, then put together on the top of the hill using gins and other basic equipment that would be the same equipment used to construct most other artillery batteries that were built during the Civil War.



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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 03:55:48 AM »
There's one Parrott rifle on the Hill today, a 30-pounder as I recall, but I haven't seen it up close in many years.

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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2009, 04:00:28 AM »
Here's a view from another angle, found on the web.  Looks like some of the same soldiers, may have been taken the same day.


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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 04:05:23 AM »
Great photos ! In the first pic that Tracy posted ,what are those 3 high angled guns ....?

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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 04:20:15 AM »
     Gary, those are two 8 or 10 inch Columbiads Model 1844 and one other seacoast gun that Federal artillerymen had positioned to bombard the City of Charleston like mortars.  They were never fired.

     Good thing we have Boom J. around to keep a eye on the flora.  And here I thought that bush was a potted one on a balcony of that nearby building.  However, oxen teams or not, I did explain how 90% of the third system forts got their heavy seacoast artillery tubes up to the Barbette Level.  Garrison Gins, like the one pictured, were then used to mount them on their respective carriages.

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 04:23:51 AM »
I know my fauna too.
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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 07:13:25 AM »
    Bet you didn't see that little chipmunk under the center-pintle, barbette carriage, looking up at the Union artillerymen, waiting for a piece of hardtack, did you, Boom J.?  Well, neither did I, but that doesn't mean that there couldn't have been one under there!

     Found an image from Harper's Weekly, 1861, courtesy of Son of the South which illustrates what I was trying to describe with words, concerning that large hoist at Ft. Sumter.  Pitched out, away from the wall, it is ready to haul a tube up to the top of the lower casemate and then brought upright to make the remainder of the lift, and finally, pitched in, toward the wall to move the tube over the edge of the Terraplein to unload it.




     Found a photo of what one of those 10" M1844 Columbiads looks like today, angled like it was back in 1861, toward Charleston, SC.  The only thing is, that the NPS used a rifled and banded M1844 10" Columbiad instead of the unaltered M1844, of which the Union artillerymen used two, emplaced as mortars, back then.  The third gun was most likely a 42 pounder Paixhans gun, because they had eleven of those at the fort when the war began and it did not look like an 1844 Columbiad or a M1829, 32 pounder of which they had plenty.  The rifled conversion work was done by the Eason Company of Charleston, SC under a Confederate contract during the war.  



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I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Great CW photo - Federal Hill Battery, Baltimore MD.
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2009, 08:10:59 AM »
I'll admit that I overlooked Alvin and Theodore trading fours under the carriage, but my eyes aren't as good as they once were.
I know this is a non sequitur, but I'd just like to say that I love the word terreplein. I love to say the word terreplein; as a matter of fact I'm saying it out loud right now, but for obvious reasons you can't hear me.
RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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