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Offline hillbill

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« on: November 04, 2003, 03:25:30 PM »
hey guys! can anyone explain the curio and relic license to me? how does it work as oppsed to a ffl? how much it cost per year? where can i find a list of what guns the c&r license covers? where can one get one? does it allow you to buy via mail? is there a website that explains all this?
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2003, 03:54:43 PM »
hillbill,
Talk to Big Bill!  He knows all about getting a C&R.

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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2003, 04:21:33 PM »
Quote from: hillbill
hey guys! can anyone explain the curio and relic license to me? how does it work as oppsed to a ffl? how much it cost per year? where can i find a list of what guns the c&r license covers? where can one get one? does it allow you to buy via mail? is there a website that explains all this?


Ok here we go the C&R FFL is for collecting only, the FFL is for dealers for buying & selling all firearms modern & C&R.  It costs $30 for 3 years.  There is a list of C&R guns on the ATF Online site.  There are application forms on the AFT site too in the forms section.  Once you get your C&R FFL you can buy mailorder from places like Century Arms,  Aim Surplus, Allens Armory, SOG (southern ohio gun) ect. once you send them a signed copy of your c&r ffl.   When you get your C&R FFL don't sign it make copies then sign the copies and write "COPY" across the center of the copy then send it out to all the dealers you think you may deal with. Now in addition to this you must keep a "bound book" which has a list of all purchases you made with your C&R.  You need to record who you purchased it from, what you purchased, who it was made by, who imported it and who it went to if you traded it to another C&R holder. You can't buyand sell to the public/anyone this is where most get into trouble with it. The ATF can show up anytime for a look see.   I have two copies one here and one in a safe place just incase.   This also lets you buy at gun for sale sites and gun auction sites off the internet as long as its a C&R too.  All the C&R FFL does is cutout the dealer you don't pay the transfer fee.  Which is ok if your going to buy many C&R's the $30 transfer fee can add up quickly if you don't have a C&R FFL.   You must also go by your state laws too which differ with C&R's too.  It also enables you to buy at out of state gun shows too.  I was out of state in Mass. at a gun show and you can't even buy ammo now if your out of state without a FFL or C&R FFL.  I was forced into getting it because my loacl dealers don't want anything to do with C&R guns.  If there is anything else you need just ask.      BigBill
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2003, 06:41:38 PM »
Best $30 bucks I've ever spent! Recently renewed mine...had one for 4 years now. You save the cost of the license on your very first purchase! Its amazing how cheap you can get a quality surplus firearm when you cut out the middle man. I have sent my C&R copies to 7 different wholesalers, but I deal exclusively with SOG in Lebanon Ohio. I order a gun on Monday, and the Big Brown Truck guy is knocking on my door Wednesday! Too cool!  8)

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2003, 01:21:24 AM »
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Best $30 bucks I've ever spent! Recently renewed mine...had one for 4 years now. You save the cost of the license on your very first purchase! Its amazing how cheap you can get a quality surplus firearm when you cut out the middle man. I have sent my C&R copies to 7 different wholesalers, but I deal exclusively with SOG in Lebanon Ohio. I order a gun on Monday, and the Big Brown Truck guy is knocking on my door Wednesday! Too cool!  8)

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Your right that brown truck or fedex delivers it to your door!!!!! BigBill
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 04:57:13 AM »
Let me add:
1. go see www.cruffler.com  8)  It's not been updated lately, but there's a wealth of information there.

2. Don't worry too much about the ATFE showing up un-annouced. The 03FFL allows you to take your bound book to the ATFE office for any review (does not include an active crinimal investigation scenario).

3. One "quiet" effect of having a type 03FFL, is that if there is ever a theft of a firearm at the licensed address (usually the C&R's residence), it becomes a federal felony, which means the investigation and prosecution become federal jurisdiction.  :wink: I would much rather have the FBI chasing down my stolen property than the local non-gun elected Sheriff!

4. In some states (like Democrat-controlled MI :( ) a type 03FFL/C&R license is the only reasonable legal way to own an NFA weapon, up to & including crew-served weapons!


Also, Brownell's, and other supply houses often give dealer discounts to 03FFL holders. This can easily pay for your $30/3yr tax!

Beware though, there are some US dealers who discriminate against 03FFLs, like Lew Horton, etc. They seem to let their insurance companies negate US (federal) codes.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2003, 09:56:31 AM »
Just got  my C&R  ffl. It only took two weeks.  Horsefeathers.
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