federal reserve is threatened

[Squib]

public opinion is nasty and not only has it persisted for two presidents but it's been going for about a decade now.... a slow slide turned into a freefall.  congress and the federal reserve are becoming very corporatist, and we've a known socialist for president.  any who understand corporatism must see a very clear danger ahead.  some might see that bush set up the foundation for the bailouts too... so one has to wonder if obama really owns all the responsibility.  ron paul had a good running as a presidential candidate and lost, now he's got little to lose by pursuing his anti-fed policies harder, mccain was sucking up with the mccain-feinstein legislation to the elite in america but now he's not gonna be president so he's got little to lose, palin didn't get in so she's not obligated to play nice to the elites right now..... it seems the republican party might actually put off soothing the worries of the wealthy and take care of business as statesmen and not corporate partners now?  just a thought... any others wondering how this is going to play out in a year or two?


for the GOP to guarantee a huge sweep during the 2010 and especially the 2012 elections, they need to be sure to distance themselves from bush for real and attack the "outsider"- the federal reserve and parasitic corporations that have been milking people hard during the recession.  I think the GOP will actually do it now.  I wonder how bad that'll upset the power-balance and party dynamics for the next generation.

[Sourdough]

The Good Ole Boys will continue to be Good Ole Boys.  They never learn, they think they are right and we don't know anything.

Sarah Palin ran into that in Wasillia, so she ran for Assembly.  She realized she could do nothing from an assembly seat so she ran for Mayor.  She then cleaned house. 

When her term as Mayor was up, the Republican Party Chair fearing she might take a look at state politics, got her appointed to a piddly position to try and keep her off on the side lines.  Only Sarah saw the corruption in his office and called him on it.  They shoved her out and started bad mouthing her, but the investigation went forth and he got burned.  Sarah saw the corruption in state government, and decided to run for Governor.  The Republican party was afraid of her, and refused to back her.  Sarah ran during the primary anyway.  Sarah took an overwhelming number of Republican votes during the primary.  Gov Frank Murkowski, the incumbent, got 3% of the vote.

During the Gubernatorial race Sarah won again with an overwhelming majority.  Sarah brought charges or put persons in place so they could bring charges against many top state legislators.  Some are still languishing in state ran penal facilities.  One of Sarah's first priorities was to push through an ethics bill.  many people told her she was leaving a big loophole in the bill making it too easy for someone to place an ethics complaint, and then to turn it over to the media.  Members of her administration wanted to close that loop and make it where the complaint could not be released till after the investigation.  Sarah felt it would be too restrictive and left it the way it was written.  That was the beginning of the end for her.  She never dreamed someone would use the ethics complaints as a political weapon.

Even after her resignation ethics complaints are still rolling in.  Sarah has incurred another $100K in attorneys fees since she left office.  For a grand total of $600K, those are her personal bills, the state does not pay those.  These people are trying to ruin her financially. 

[Squib]

it is rather sad... she stands for so much, exemplifies it.  I've bought her book (Rogue not Rouge) and will begin reading soon.  missouri has jay nixon for governor  I'm jealous sourdough

[Dee]

The Republican party has no need to change. It will say what it needs to say, promise what it needs to promise, threaten what it needs to threaten, and the Pseudo Conservatives will flock to the polls in their "mile wide inch deep rage", and vote the fascists out, and the socialists in. After all, it will be the Republicans turn.
Think about it. The Democrats get in, and we loose freedoms at an alarming rate, and the Pseudo Conservatives begin to roar. Then they vote in the Republicans, the freedom loss slows a little and everyone is happy again, and defending their vote.

[Squib]

..... I'm just trying to find the positive in palin (wondering what could have been if obama wasn't in there, if pro-gun palin was in right now)

and how badly mccain might have folded with his pro-elite feinstein bill crap, the 1st amendment issues the NRA went after him for

[Dee]

If McCain had won the presidency Palin would have been shelved. You would have heard almost nothing from her. McCain used her charisma to try and revive his campaign. She knows that now, and probably realized it shortly into her accepting the nomination.

[Squib]

do you think that'll let her use the minority card?  I'm not asking about right or wrong but I'm sure you can see my fear of s*** hitting the fan... people are gonna start working odd angles.  she might stupe low. 

I hope keyes will stop being a statesman for a speech or two, get cutthroat a few times to get people worked up.  I'd like to see Ron Paul do the same too but I'm not sure he'll do it without REALLY being provoked (ever seen bruno- he does have a meaner side).... what about Allen West Dee?  know much about him, seems like a younger leaner keyes (but he is a vet so he might have a bit more leverage once he's "vetted")

I hope sarah ain't shelved.  with ron paul attacking the fed (or probing for an attack at least), the heat may be off her soon- and she's got a rich husband so she ain't broke from them bs lawsuits yet.... might get back in the fight?!

[Dee]

I personally think the woman is just what she appears to be, and what she says she is, which is "real people". These kind of folks don't come along much anymore, and what many can't get over is the fact that she is a woman. They won't support her for that reason, but it will be THEIR LOSS, and maybe all of our loss.
Not every woman plays the minority card, and not every woman is a feminist. I know those kind when I see them because I made the mistake of marrying one once. It lasted 1 month, before I filed for divorce. She was a pain in the ass, from daylight to dark.
I have no idea if she intends to run for president but, win, loose or draw, unless I find out different, I'll vote for her. I'm the kind a guy that will stand with a good man knowing we ain't got much of a chance, and I've done it when neither of us knew whether we were gonna see the next sunrise.
It's like those two snipers that got off that helicopter when the black hawk went down in Mogadishu. They knew that they likely would not make it, but their hearts were good. Hell, I'd a got off with'em. I truly had rather lose with a winner, than win with a loser. I think God fully understands that and, I'm ok if I know I did what was right, win, lose, or draw.
I think that's the way she's set up too. I also think that the Democrats and the Republicans "sense that", and fear her for it. No one has to agree with me. I act on what "I" think is right, not on what someone else thinks.
Your idea of getting cut throat and mine are different. I'm not gonna cut anyone's throat with lies and mis-information. Not intentionally anyway. I'll cut his throat if he tries to hurt me.
It's like cheating at dominoes. You won on paper, but you lost on character.

[Squib]

that's why I hope when the mud-slinging starts, the liberals full deck of "minority cards" gets used against them, Keyes-West-Palin playing the spades.

I'm not "sexist" but I'm skeptical of most women when confronted with violence and scheming.  Not so with Sarah though, she wasn't crying like Hilary  :ov     she's got more gumption? than most men.  I think if she was ugly she'd actually have an easier time, but it's a point to attack her on, stereotype here as a bimbo that flirted her way up the ranks.

[Squib]

maybe it was... I'm asking what's gonna happen now, especially if the fed gets caught in a spotlight


you can bring up all the stuff you want TM7, if anyone attacks you for it then I'll back you.  I asked a complex answer on what might happen with the right/left machine facing a failure.... I think there are a lot of possibilities and lots of answers.  yours will be more thought out than most, and I respect that.  to assure no one gets you- bring up the comparison of her policies vs mccain, bush, ron paul, alan keyes... you can get people looking introspectively if you piggyback your criticism on one of their candidates too (trojan horse- put the blame on a past politician and then compare it to her, maybe you'll be right, maybe not, but it'll make people think)


I'm young and only know what I read about.  We all know revisionist history has been a solid goal of the progressive movement since taking over public schools long before I was born (84).  People that have been paying attention longer and have actually lived through some of it, give your opinions and theories please.  if you are all but attacking someone on here then you're good to go, just don't get crazy please.  I don't want a conflict, I want to know who's strings are gonna get pulled and/or snipped.  thanks guys.  Ben

[steve y]

One thing is for sure the government is supported by very powerful people that hedge their bets by paying off the canidate of their establishment. They want their moneys worth and will get it every time. It is not out of the realm of posibility for someone to come along like Sarah Palin, who seems to be anti establishment and for the people. Then they undermine them at every turn and actually keep the status quo and then go back to business as usual in the next election cycle. Every one of us I believe is hungry for someone we can believe in. Someone who will tell the truth and do what really is the right thing to do. Someone with moral convictions that won't be swayed by polls or focus groups. Someone that says what they mean and mean what they say. Oh well it's nice to have dreams eh?

[Squib]

yeah, but like TM7 is saying, we need skepticism too.  at first glance, obama was the savior!  look how well that worked out for us all (most people didn't even research him, just voted for his propaganda)

[steve y]

You are very much right. Hopefully people will be alot more educated next time around and will inform themselves. We need to ask questions and support our beliefs with the facts. The majority of people just voted for Obie because he was hope and change so they never looked beyond that. Or because he wasn't Bush. I voted for McCain because he was a heart attack away from Sarah Palin getting into office. That is such a sad way to look at things but it is where we've come to.

[Squib]

or she'd have ratted him out when he "reached across the aisle" and got him impeached, or he'd have a stroke from the stress of trying to be a progressive republican with a watchdog hounding him all the time.... and even if he didn't go down, well she'd be the president of the senate!!!! she'd be whipping pelosi right now, and that would have already made a huge difference.  it didnt' happen though.     

[steve y]

TM7. Since no one is capable of holding high office that isn't the establishments candidate is there anyone that would pass muster as far as you are concerned? I am at a loss as to what is to be expected of the responsible citizens of this country who care enough to vote and be active in being a part of the solution instead of part of the problem. I realize there are forces at work that are more powerful than we ever thought they could be. But I will not just throw my hands up in the air and say the hell with it and not be involved and just let everything go to hell in a handbasket. I will not stand by and not try to at least do my part. After all if we can lay our head on our pillows each night next to our wife. Be warm and snug in our own home with our family near while our soldiers and marines are sleeping in a cold foxhole on a godforsaken mountain in Afghaniraq then it is the least I can do to give a crap about my country and do the right thing and take part in my country's political process.

[Squib]

my usual response about the nwo goes on... they aren't that organized.  anyone with the presidential title and office will deviate from the establishment to some degree.  so will the federal judges and federal post holders.  the questiong is who do you want to throw in the monkey wrench?  I would like palin to do it, I think she could do more damage- fix the nation no, but set us in the right direction yes.  I've never said she'd totally break ranks, but that she would be a big-time whistle-blower.

[steve y]

Doc RP???